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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    in your opinion, should women be allowed to choose whether or not to terminate the life of their child after birth?
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    My answer would be no.
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    in all situations?

    I can conceive of many situations where a newborn child is as dependent on its mother for life as when it was in the womb - i suspect you can too

    if a mother found herself in one of those situations with nobody around to assist her and decided she wanted to kill her child because it was inconvenient being the mother of an infant, can you explain to me why she shouldn't have the same right to kill her newborn infant as she had weeks prior?

    if you think there are significant differences (between killing a child in utero and killing a newborn), by all means list them
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    Why so you can continue to willfully ignore them?
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    no, so i can show you how they apply equally to the child before and after birth
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    Good luck. Your only recourse is to "equally" ignore the key in-utero/ex-utero contrast


    still waiting quip

    if you think there are significant differences (between killing a child in utero and killing a newborn), by all means list them

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    quip squirms:







    still waiting quip

    if you think there are significant differences (between killing a child in utero and killing a newborn), by all means list them
    Ones called abortion....the other murder. (In utero, ex utero...respectively)

    If you're attempting to equate the two...you'll have to do better than emotional declaration and insinuation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    if you think there are significant differences (between killing a child in utero and killing a newborn), by all means list them
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    Ones called abortion....the other murder.
    actually, killing a child in utero is called murder if it is against the mother's wishes


    care to try again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    actually, killing a child in utero is called murder if it is against the mother's wishes


    care to try again?
    Yes. That's why the mother is the crux of the issue...not the fetus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    Yes. That's why the mother is the crux of the issue...not the fetus.
    no, I was looking for "significant differences between killing a child in utero and killing a newborn"

    if you say the mother is the crux of the issue, you can't deny the mother the choice to kill her newborn

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    Contraceptives do not "cause abortions ". They PREVENT them. Do smoke alarms cause fires ? Of course not .
    While we disagree on abortion, I agree with you on contraceptives as well as social programs that are in place to help these moms and their unborn babies. Personally, the fact that contraception helps to prevent unplanned pregnancies is a no brainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    no, I was looking for "significant differences between killing a child in utero and killing a newborn"

    if you say the mother is the crux of the issue, you can't deny the mother the choice to kill her newborn
    Sure I can. The circumstances concerning abortion don't apply (obviously..or at least should be) to post-birth i.e. newborn children.

    It shouldn't be difficult for you to fathom once you remove your knee-jerk emotions from the equation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    The circumstances concerning abortion don't apply (obviously..or at least should be) to post-birth i.e. newborn children.
    i'm not asking you about abortion quip

    i'm asking you to list the "significant differences between killing a child in utero and killing a newborn"

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    looks like we'll have to wait for an answer

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    I hate to give you a 9th grade biology lessen, but without the mother, the unborn baby wouldn't develop nor survive.
    I guess this one does not agree with your 9th grade biology lesson:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Qo2VcEO8Y
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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    Ones called abortion....the other murder. (In utero, ex utero...respectively)
    Really? What's the difference?

    in utero (abortion), ex utero (murder) = same to me.

    The difference?
    in utero = woman not considered responsible
    ex utero = woman considered responsible
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    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisgood View Post
    I guess this one does not agree with your 9th grade biology lesson:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5Qo2VcEO8Y
    Isn't life precious? All the more reason you should be fighting the Libertarian/Democrat mindset of "It's MY body and I can do with it as I darn well please!".

    (BTW, while your video was touching, it still didn't address my point that without the mother, the baby would have never existed).


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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    So, you are arguing for "dependency?" So, you are arguing that we have the moral right to kill someone based on his or her degree of dependency on another person? A 2 year old "little one"is more dependent than a teenager. Do we/you have the right to kill the little one,but not the teenager?

    Can a mother kill her newborn son, daughter, because he depends on her body for nutrition? Or, imagine you alone witnessed a 2 year old fall into a swimming pool. Would you be justified in declaring, arguing him/her not valuable,because he/she depended on you for his survival?
    Your argument is not with me John, it's with Libertarians (this place is overrun with them) that believe the selfish concept of not sacrificing their values for the benefit of others.

    As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty: a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and are not forced to sacrifice their values for the benefit of others...
    https://www.lp.org/platform/

    Now if any supposed pro life Libertarians want to step forward (this place is overrun with them) and explain how one can embrace the selfish concept of Libertarianism and yet be anti-abortion at the same time, I look forward to the debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Your argument is not with me John, it's with Libertarians (this place is overrun with them) that believe the selfish concept of not sacrificing their values for the benefit of others.
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    As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty: a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and are not forced to sacrifice their values for the benefit of others...
    https://www.lp.org/platform/
    Read what it ACTUALLY says!

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    Now if any supposed pro life Libertarians want to step forward (this place is overrun with them) and explain how one can embrace the selfish concept of Libertarianism and yet be anti-abortion at the same time, I look forward to the debate.
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    Quote: Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    As Libertarians, we seek a world of liberty: a world in which all individuals are sovereign over their own lives and are not forced to sacrifice their values for the benefit of others...

    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Read what it ACTUALLY says!
    Government laws that prohibit things like abortion, homosexuality, prostitution, pornography and recreational drug use, are backed by "force" which Libertarians believe "sacrifices their values for the benefit of others" ("others" being God, unborn children, family members and the community and nation at large that are hurt by immoral ideology and actions).
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