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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    Here is one thing which has always bothered me about social conservatives . They are utterly opposed to abortion, and are determined to say to every pregnant woman "You must bear that child or else ! "
    Rather, we say "you must not murder that child"

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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    Pro-choice is not pro-abortion. Hence the 'choice' tag. They're not their sister's keeper.
    Being pro-choice is certainly to be pro-abortion. It is for one of two options 1) life or 2) abortion. How can one escape that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    (Why is Right Divider answering for ok doser?)

    I hate to give you a 9th grade biology lessen, but without the mother, the unborn baby wouldn't develop nor survive.

    Every living thing needs a host, be it human life or even disease.
    So, you are arguing for "dependency?" So, you are arguing that we have the moral right to kill someone based on his or her degree of dependency on another person? A 2 year old "little one"is more dependent than a teenager. Do we/you have the right to kill the little one,but not the teenager?

    Can a mother kill her newborn son, daughter, because he depends on her body for nutrition? Or, imagine you alone witnessed a 2 year old fall into a swimming pool. Would you be justified in declaring, arguing him/her not valuable,because he/she depended on you for his survival?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    Just how does ProLife intend to impose its moral dictates on millions of young American women - should they decide that they, not a conservative majority on the Supreme Court, are the final arbitrators concerning their own bodies!
    That is what laws are, i.e., an imposition of morality.

    You would argue that (fill in the blank)should not impose its moral dictates, by preventing stealing money from a bank, prevent beating our children? Perhaps because theft, child abuse................. is morally wrong, we "impose a moral dictate" against it?Why can’t we shoot, and kill our noisy neighbor? Perhaps because murder is wrong? Of course we legislate morality. Government exists to do just that, for the protection and defense of its people.


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    Quote Originally Posted by john w View Post
    That is what laws are, i.e., an imposition of morality.

    You would argue that (fill in the blank)should not impose its moral dictates, by preventing stealing money from a bank, prevent beating our children? Perhaps because theft, child abuse................. is morally wrong, we "impose a moral dictate" against it?Why can’t we shoot, and kill our noisy neighbor? Perhaps because murder is wrong? Of course we legislate morality. Government exists to do just that, for the protection and defense of its people.


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    Obviously those promoting the repeal of Roe v Wade are not prepared to take the next step by informing us as to the penalties they are prepared to impose on those young women who decide to defy the law should they participate in an illegal abortion!

    International studies have shown that making abortions illegal has never been an effective deterrent!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    Obviously those promoting the repeal of Roe v Wade are not prepared to take the next step by informing us as to the penalties they are prepared to impose on those young women who decide to defy the law should they participate in an illegal abortion!
    Logical fallacy, implied argument from consequence.

    Essentially, you want the argument to be over an issue you can more effectively emotionalize because you can't effectively debate your position that murdering kids is acceptable.

    International studies have shown that making crime illegal is always an effective deterrent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A-Scholten View Post
    Being pro-choice is certainly to be pro-abortion. It is for one of two options 1) life or 2) abortion. How can one escape that?
    Yes, you're correct...I'm pro regarding the free choice between 1 or 2.
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    in your opinion, should women be allowed to choose whether or not to terminate the life of their child after birth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    in your opinion, should women be allowed to choose whether or not to terminate the life of their child after birth?
    Who're you asking?

    My answer would be no. This is an argument over abortion. Understand the differences?
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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    Who're you asking?

    sorry - thought i'd quoted you

    i was asking you

    My answer would be no.
    in all situations?

    I can conceive of many situations where a newborn child is as dependent on its mother for life as when it was in the womb - i suspect you can too

    if a mother found herself in one of those situations with nobody around to assist her and decided she wanted to kill her child because it was inconvenient being the mother of an infant, can you explain to me why she shouldn't have the same right to kill her newborn infant as she had weeks prior?

    This is an argument over abortion.
    which is the deliberate murder of an innocent child

    understand the similarities?




    but if you think there are significant differences, by all means list them

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    sorry - thought i'd quoted you

    i was asking you



    in all situations?

    I can conceive of many situations where a newborn child is as dependent on its mother for life as when it was in the womb - i suspect you can too

    if a mother found herself in one of those situations with nobody around to assist her and decided she wanted to kill her child because it was inconvenient being the mother of an infant, can you explain to me why she shouldn't have the same right to kill her newborn infant as she had weeks prior?



    which is the deliberate murder of an innocent child

    understand the similarities?




    but if you think there are significant differences, by all means list them
    Why so you can continue to willfully ignore them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    Why so you can continue to willfully ignore them?

    no, so i can show you how they apply equally to the child before and after birth


    but i may have to come back to it tomorrow, just about bedtime here

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    no, so i can show you how they apply equally to the child before and after birth


    but i may have to come back to it tomorrow, just about bedtime here
    Good luck. Your only recourse is to "equally" ignore the key in-utero/ex-utero contrast.

    But please...offer up another anagram.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    Obviously those promoting the repeal of Roe v Wade are not prepared to take the next step by informing us as to the penalties they are prepared to impose on those young women who decide to defy the law should they participate in an illegal abortion!

    International studies have shown that making abortions illegal has never been an effective deterrent!
    Nice "post" that has NADA to do with your "argument:"
    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    Just how does ProLife intend to impose its moral dictates on...
    Slower...I know this is quite deep...Laws are an imposition of morality.


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