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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    abortion is the deliberate ending of an innocent human life
    It depends on how you define "human life".

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    The "ProLife" supporters have yet to inform the nation as to how they intend to enforce the repeal of Roe v Wade - should the young women of the nation decide not to conform to their moral dictates!
    I couldn't care less what ProLife supporters say or do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    It depends on how you define "human life".
    How would you define "human life" to avoid facing the fact that abortion is the ending of a human life?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    The question must be: Is the taking of a life a sinful act and the answer to that is yes it is.
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    I couldn't care less what ProLife supporters say or do.
    Evading the central question - if abortion is tantamount to "the taking of a life," what are the consequences for young American women who refuse to accept the conservative assertion that the government has the right to enforce full term pregnancies!

    Do the conservative Christians, who supported Kavanaugh, now expect American women to have full confidence that as the "swing vote" he has their best interests at heart or, is he fulfilling the political promises made by this President, on his behalf?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    Different motivation. The only reason to be against abortion is to save lives. The only reason to be for the death penalty is to save lives. The common factor between the two is that both seek to punishment through death. The difference is that the DP protects others from the person being executed while abortion harms the innocent.
    But sometimes the death penalty takes an innocent life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    It depends on how you define "human life".
    Person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    How would you define "human life" to avoid facing the fact that abortion is the ending of a human life?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    Different motivation. The only reason to be against abortion is to save lives. The only reason to be for the death penalty is to save lives. The common factor between the two is that both seek to punishment through death. The difference is that the DP protects others from the person being executed while abortion harms the innocent.
    Then Truster's declaration is inaccurate. To be more precise, you, et al. are not pro-life but rather anti-abortion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    But sometimes the death penalty takes an innocent life.
    Which is why it shouldn't be utilized without 100% proof of guilt ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    Then Truster's declaration is inaccurate. To be more precise, you, et al. are not pro-life but rather anti-abortion.
    I agree with that label and have always stated as much.
    As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    I agree with that label and have always stated as much.
    Fair enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    How would you define "human life" to avoid facing the fact that abortion is the ending of a human life?
    This brings us to the question of cases where lives are at stake- one can save either the mother or the baby, at the expense of the other. Who do you save?

    Please don't hide behind the "fact" that this situation is rare or "never happens". It did happen in the past, and likely happens to this day in less developed parts of the world. Even as a thought experiment it is useful. Is the unborn child's life of the same value as that of the mother?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Person.

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    Ah, but then you need to define "person". What are the characteristics of "human life" of "person"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    This brings us to the question of cases where lives are at stake- one can save either the mother or the baby, at the expense of the other. Who do you save?
    Why shouldn't, on these rare occasions, the attempt be made to save BOTH lives? Also, why use such rare occasions as an excuse for abortions when most are done for the reason of convenience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chair View Post
    This brings us to the question of cases where lives are at stake.
    No, it doesn't. You asked how we should define what is a "human life" and were given an answer.

    It's time to apply that answer, not change the topic.

    One can save either the mother or the baby, at the expense of the other. Who do you save?
    There is never a scenario where one has to kill one to save the other.

    Even as a thought experiment it is useful.
    No, it's not.

    Is the unborn child's life of the same value as that of the mother?
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    Why shouldn't, on these rare occasions, the attempt be made to save BOTH lives? Also, why use such rare occasions as an excuse for abortions when most are done for the reason of convenience.
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