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    God made them the vessels of wrath !

    Rom 9:20-22

    20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

    21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

    22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

    I know this is a subject that is most distasteful to proud human flesh, but the scripture does teach that God made some people to be vessels of wrath, and He fits them for destruction, which destruction will be everlasting !

    These same vessels of wrath are mentioned in Proverbs, Prov 16:4

    4 The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for[denoting purpose] the day of evil.


    These are people outside of Gods election of grace Rom 11:5,7

    5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

    Those not of the election of grace, are termed the rest which are blinded

    7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.


    If they're excluded from being of the election of grace, they are excluded from being chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    The vessels of wrath that are fitted for destruction are all whom their names werent written in the lambs book of life before the foundation of the world. Rev 13:8

    8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    Rev 17:8

    8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    The vessels of wrath that are fitted for destruction are all whom are not redeemed with /or by the blood of Christ 1 Pet 1:18-19

    18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

    19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    IF Satan was created as a vessel of wrath before his fall, then who can say that GOD treated him justly?
    IF Satan was created as a vessel of wrath before his fall, then who can say that GOD treated him lovingly?
    IF Satan was created as a vessel of wrath before his fall, then who can say that GOD treated him righteously?
    IF Satan was created as a vessel of wrath before his fall, then who can say that GOD treated him kindly?

    IF Satan rebelled and then was flung to earth for the edification of the sinful elect and his LIFE (not FATE) was predestined as a vessel of wrath in response to his sinning the unforgivable sin, then all of creation can say that having a life created, predestined and predetermined to be a vessel of wrath is just and righteous and as kind and as loving as HE could be to such a one, letting the rain fall and the sun shine on him and his goats.
    I Champion GODís holiness:
    - GOD did not need evil so did not create evil for any reason.
    - All evil is creature-created.

    I Champion Our Free will:
    - All spirits created in HIS image had an equal ability and opportunity to choose either heaven or hell by their free will.

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    The vessels of wrath that are fitted for destruction are all whom are not given life or regenerated by the Spirit, but shall remain in their natural spiritual alienation from the life of God Eph 4:18

    Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

    They are the ones who will separate themselves having not the Spirit Jude 1:19
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    The vessels of wrath that are fitted for destruction are all for Gods Glory and to exercise His Power/Right to take of the same lump of dirt and make one vessel to which He will make manifest the riches of His Grace and Mercy, and the other vessel He makes to make manifest His justice and wrath. Rom 9:20-23

    20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

    21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

    22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:

    23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

    That word power in Vs 21 is the word exousia and means:

    power of choice, liberty of doing as one pleases

    One wrote of his God Ps 115:3

    But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    God gives the vessels of wrath existence to show His just wrath against their sin, according to His strict justice without which this Glory of His Righteousness would not have been displayed. This by the way should melt the hearts of the vessels of mercy into deep gratitude and humility since if God so pleased, they to could have been vessels of wrath !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    The vessels of wrath that are fitted for destruction are all whom are not given life or regenerated by the Spirit, but shall remain in their natural spiritual alienation from the life of God Eph 4:18

    [FONT="]Having the understanding darkened, being [/FONT]alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:

    They are the ones who will separate themselves having not the Spirit Jude 1:19

    Amen to parts #1, #2, #3 and #5 !


    As determined by Creator God who does all things according to His Eternal Purpose Eph. 3:11 and pleasure Is. 46:10, the vessels of wrath He fitted to destruction have no hope of eternal salvation; they never had and never will. So as a result their hearts shall remain permanently blinded Eph. 4:18 and shall believe a lie 2 Thes. 2:11.


    Job 23:13-14

    13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.

    14 For he performeth the thing that is appointed for me: and many such things are with him.
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    God gives the vessels of wrath existence to show His just wrath against their sin, according to His strict justice without which this Glory of His Righteousness would not have been displayed. This by the way should melt the hearts of the vessels of mercy into deep gratitude and humility since if God so pleased, they to could have been vessels of wrath !

    So True indeed !
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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