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    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    Like it or not, same sex marriage is now legal in America. If you don't like it, tough noogies. Don't marry someone of the same sex. Who is forcing you to do this? No one.
    So, basically, you're forcing your tolerance of something that is perverse and disgusting onto the rest of society?

    Why do we have to tolerate that, again?

    I wonder, how is SSM harmful to other people? Does it interfere with the lives and marriages of opposite sex couples? Does it harm them and violate with their civil and human rights ?
    Does it prevent opposite sex couples from getting married and having children ?
    Is SSM harmful to children who are brought up by same sex couples ? Will it turn them gay and subject them to risk of sexual molestation ?
    The answer to all these questions is NO .

    We Just Want To Be Left Alone: "Yeah, right. In the public square, Christianity and homosexuality are mutually exclusive," said Bob Enyart. "One or the other will be in the closet." A homosexual replies: "No really, we just want to be left alone. Oh yeah, and you better bake us a cake. (But meeting Supreme Court opposition there, they're still pursuing plenty of other lawsuits, such as....) And keep your mouth shut about it. Or a pizza pie. And cookies. Or else. Because you'll get hit with a lawsuit or we'll take government action against you if you hesitate to obey any of these demands. So, you better send us flowers. And give me a haircut while I'm waiting. And take some photos. Or else. And forget about your heterosexual student clubs, doctors, and your boys-only cub scouts, and forget about your "morally straight" boy scouts and adult scout leaders, and forget about your father-daughter events, your heterosexual dating services, rescue missions, college Christian clubs, and your heterosexual NCAA-affiliated college campuses. We've decided to ban them. Oh yeah, and did we tell you? You're going to print us some t-shirts, provide the floral arrangements, sign our marriage certificates, or else, and then host our wedding! Yup. Even on your church property. And we want a parade, and you're going to provide security too. And a few last things. Don't forget our subpoenas for your sermon transcripts, and you better remove sections from that Bible of yours if you want to keep it available. Because remember, in Colorado, they passed a law to censor your objectionable speech, so watch out. And now, even Irish homosexuals just want to be left alone. " Etc., etc., etc., etc.



    Links to each of the above court cases (yes, there's a case (or even multiple cases) for each one of the above examples) on kgov.com/homo.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Horn View Post
    OK Doser , "God is pretty clear on homosexuality ?"
    He's very clear.

    He's also clear that eating pork and shellfish is an abomination,
    No it's not.

    as well as cutting your hair and wearing tattoos.
    Nope.

    He's opposed to farmers planting two or more different crops on one field, wearing clothing with more than one kind of fabric etc.
    Nope, nope, and etc nope.

    God also says that disobedient children should be put to death,
    No it doesn't.

    as well as anyone who works on the Sabbath.
    No, it doesn't.

    And not everyone agrees on which day should be the Sabbath.
    There are multiple Sabbaths.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Again, it's only the ultra fundamentalists/zealots and trolls who go on about killing gay people
    Please point to a case where a "zealot" or "ultra fundamentalist" Christian killed a homo, so that we can condemn what they did as MURDER.

    and well, "executing" people in general who don't live up to a certain "standard".
    Executing criminals who deserve it, you mean?

    Most Christians don't want a bar of it.
    Thankfully, just because you claim "most Christians" doesn't make you the authority.

    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    Teaching Kids the Truth About Marriage

    If "CatholicCrusader" had been talking to her daughter prior to 1964, she may have lived in one of the 19 states in America where marriage between "blacks" and "whites" was still deemed illegal!

    Contrary to popular opinion amongst conservative Christians, "marriage" has and will continue to be an evolving institution!
    Marriage was defined by God as one man and one woman coming together to become one flesh. That was 7000 years ago, and it hasn't changed much except in the last 50 years or so. "Has and will continue to be an evolving institution?" Baloney.

    "Marriage" is influenced by both secular and religious considerations - given that one of the guiding principles that America was founded on was based on the separation of Church and State,
    Please show where this is defined. As far as I'm aware, it only says that the government cannot establish a national religion, not that church and state are separated...

    the government can no more deny citizens the right to marry irrespective of their sexual orientation than it can deny LBGTQ community the right to vote!
    The government has every right to govern marriage. It does not have the right, however, to redefine marriage to something that it is not, which is one man and one woman coming together to become one flesh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Again, it's only the ultra fundamentalists/zealots and trolls who go on about killing gay people and well, "executing" people in general who don't live up to a certain "standard". Most Christians don't want a bar of it.
    By the way, God's standard is perfection. I don't know of anyone who's perfect besides Jesus, do you?

    You go out on the street and ask someone if they think they're a good person, they'll most likely say yes, but if you ask them if they've ever lied, stolen, blasphemed God, or lusted after someone, they'll probably say yes to every one of those things. That's 4 out of the 10 commandments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    By the way, God's standard is perfection. I don't know of anyone who's perfect besides Jesus, do you?

    You go out on the street and ask someone if they think they're a good person, they'll most likely say yes, but if you ask them if they've ever lied, stolen, blasphemed God, or lusted after someone, they'll probably say yes to every one of those things. That's 4 out of the 10 commandments.
    And? You've probably done all of those things yourself and more, besides which I wasn't even arguing that anyone would claim perfection anyway but that most Christians aren't ultra zealots who advocate putting people to death for being gay and the like. Hardly a "claim" you can refute. Most Christians aren't akin to the likes of the Phelps' by way of illustration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    ... Marriage was defined by God as one man and one woman coming together to become one flesh. That was 7000 years ago, and it hasn't changed much except in the last 50 years or so. "Has and will continue to be an evolving institution?" Baloney.

    Please show where this is defined. As far as I'm aware, it only says that the government cannot establish a national religion, not that church and state are separated...

    The government has every right to govern marriage. It does not have the right, however, to redefine marriage to something that it is not, which is one man and one woman coming together to become one flesh.
    1. The Old Testament speaks of men with multiple wives and concubines ie. Abraham, David, Solomon

    2. In the case of one brother dying, the other was obligated to marry his widow so that she would survive ie. Ruth

    3. It has only within the past few centuries that the idea of marrying for love has gained wider acceptance - arranged marriages are still widely practiced in Asia and Africa to create alliances and to ensure that women would survive in male dominated societies!

    4. “The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded upon the Christian Religion.”
    - 1797, The Treaty of Tripoli, initiated by President Washington, signed by President John Adams, and approved by the Senate of the United States

    “The appropriation of funds of the United States for the use and support of religious societies, [is] contrary to the article of the Constitution which declares that ‘Congress shall make no law respecting a religious establishment’.”
    - James Madison, 1811

    “All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish [Muslim], appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.”
    - Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    1. The Old Testament speaks of men with multiple wives and concubines ie. Abraham, David, Solomon
    And later it says men should have one wife.

    2. In the case of one brother dying, the other was obligated to marry his widow so that she would survive ie. Ruth
    And today we have to pay people when they get divorced.

    3. It has only within the past few centuries that the idea of marrying for love has gained wider acceptance - arranged marriages are still widely practiced in Asia and Africa to create alliances and to ensure that women would survive in male dominated societies!
    And "love" is keeping all these people in lasting, loving relationships.

    Arranged marriages are not forced marriages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    And later it says men should have one wife.

    And today we have to pay people when they get divorced.

    And "love" is keeping all these people in lasting, loving relationships.

    Arranged marriages are not forced marriages.

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    Yeh, arranged marriages ensure a bond that will keep them together...



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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Yeh, arranged marriages ensure a bond that will keep them together.
    Hey, retard. How many are divorced whose marriages are not arranged? How many fruitful, lifelong marriages do you know that are arranged?

    Retard.

    Retard.

    Retard.

    Learn to engage sensibly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Hey, retard. How many are divorced whose marriages are not arranged? How many fruitful, lifelong marriages do you know that are arranged?

    Retard.

    Retard.

    Retard.

    Learn to engage sensibly.

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    Fruitful lifelong marriages not arranged? My parents for a start. My sisters too is as healthy as well as plenty others besides. Arranged? Not so much. You can do the research yourself on that one.

    Got your trolling shtick out of the way now or were you just on repeat? Oh, and you do remember what you said years ago in regards to my sister as well, right?

    Learn to engage without being a nasty, pathetic little piece of work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Fruitful lifelong marriages not arranged? My parents for a start. My sisters too is as healthy as well as plenty others besides. Arranged? Not so much. You can do the research yourself on that one.

    Got your trolling shtick out of the way now or were you just on repeat? Oh, and you do remember what you said years ago in regards to my sister as well, right?

    Learn to engage without being a nasty, pathetic little piece of work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    "Wah wah!

    You said something mean to me years ago and I'm still butthurt over it "
    That dude is a complete tard.

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    I've been telling you guys for years

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    I've been telling you guys for years
    Some of us are not so quick on the uptake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    That dude is a complete tard.

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    Eh, coming from a guy that seems to have turned into doser's "tard" echo chamber, your critique of anyone at all means squat.
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    This is a thorny topic.

    It used to be that our society was partially ordered by ancient Christian morality. Same sex marriage was out of the question for centuries and centuries. Even same sex sexual behavior was so heavily discouraged, that those involuntarily afflicted with homosexual desires needed to hide this condition in order to be safe from religiously motivated violence and aggression.

    So now our society is reordering to a more 'pagan' standard, one that does not outlaw pagan morals. Most pagans believe same sex sexual behavior is neither moral or immoral, that it is amoral, so long as there is valid consent.

    And we Christians have kids. And they absorb this pagan notion that girls can marry girls, and boys can marry boys, and it's thorny because what do we tell our kids? We of course support the rights of homosexuals, and respect them as people, and we don't want our kids to think anything different, but at the same time, this immoral practice of theirs is immoral, and there's nothing that can be done to keep this rotting corpse from stinking, by saying things like that love is agnostic towards gender.

    But we don't want our kids to forget that all LGBT people have rights, and deserve respect. We maintain our own religious and moral rights to believe whatever we want, just like everybody else, and we have our view on same sex sexual behavior, and now that same sex marriage is permitted, and same sex couples are open about it, the world has changed, and the religious instruction of our youth must change in response to it, and we're still not quite sure what to say, which is why this is thorny.
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