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    Does persevering in the faith by libertarian free will...

    Does persevering in the faith by libertarian free will, enduring unto the end, cooperating with God, & obeying Christ - as opposed to thrusting away one's faith & becoming lost - imply earning salvation by works? Yes or no?

    Col.1:22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation--
    Col.1:23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;

    1 Cor 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
    1 Cor 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.

    Gal. 5:3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
    Gal. 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

    1 Tim.1:19 holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and so have suffered shipwreck with regard to the faith.20 Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.

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    'Course not.

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    Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

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    If there is libertarian free will that you must exercise in order to become saved & maintain salvation, how is that not earning salvation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregoryN View Post
    If there is libertarian free will that you must exercise in order to become saved & maintain salvation, how is that not earning salvation?
    "A person "believes" the gospel in order to be saved and believing something is not based on a person's "will." It is impossible to believe that five plus five equals anything but ten. No matter how hard you try to "will" yourself to believe that they equal nine you will find that it is impossible.

    That is because what a person believes is based on "evidence" available to him. And that is how Biblical faith is defined:

    "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"
    (Heb.11:1).

    Once a person believes the gospel he possesses eternal life in the Son (1 Jn.5:11) and the Lord Jesus said that those to whom He gives eternal life will never perish (Jn.10:28).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    "A person "believes" the gospel in order to be saved and believing something is not based on a person's "will." It is impossible to believe that five plus five equals anything but ten. No matter how hard you try to "will" yourself to believe that they equal nine you will find that it is impossible.

    That is because what a person believes is based on "evidence" available to him. And that is how Biblical faith is defined:

    "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen"
    (Heb.11:1).

    Once a person believes the gospel he possesses eternal life in the Son (1 Jn.5:11) and the Lord Jesus said that those to whom He gives eternal life will never perish (Jn.10:28).
    My post said nothing about believing:

    If there is libertarian free will that you must exercise in order to become saved & maintain salvation, how is that not earning salvation?

    If you don't believe in libertarian free will (LFW), are you a Calvinist or a believer that human beings are mere puppets God controls by His will alone? Do you think God forces salvation on people without their LFW consent?

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