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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Can you even begin to understand what his daughters have gone through and will continue to go through just because the Democrats decided to play dirty and make sure the whole world knew that their father was being accused of sexual misconduct?
    That was coming out no matter what anyone wanted. The process could have been far different, more thorough and fair to both parties, but the allegations were going to be understood by the public regardless. And it was undoubtedly upsetting for the girls, whom I am sure love and believe in their father.

    Either the fault for their upset is ultimately the work of their father as a less controlled and reckless youth, or it rests at the feet of Ford, through faulty memory or willful dissembling.

    And none of us can know where that blame really belongs.

    That the democrats made hay of it to attempt a delay of his confirmation is certain. That the republicans used it to advance their midterm narrative is equally beyond dispute.
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    It was a total scam. Ford was in on it and anyone who couldn't see she was lying through her teeth is too stupid to ever be on a jury....much less a "job interview".

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    It was a total scam. Ford was in on it and anyone who couldn't see she was lying through her teeth is too stupid to ever be on a jury....much less a "job interview".
    Only Ford, Kavanaugh and his buddy know the truth. Anyone else who says they do is confusing their imagination and bias with knowledge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    Only Ford, Kavanaugh and his buddy know the truth. Anyone else who says they do is confusing their imagination and bias with knowledge.
    You are confusing your posts with intelligent statements.

    Only the moon knows if there's an underground Martian outpost on it, but I can tell you now that there's not.

    Only Ford, Kavanaugh and his buddy know the truth, but I can tell everyone now that Ford is a lying sack of sh*t. Even her own friend contradicted her testimony.

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    To Understand Christine Blasey Ford, Take a look at Palo Alto University




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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    You don't want to consider it because it won't take you where you mean to go, but that's not how to reason a thing out, Jerry.
    You are the one who throws your reason to the wind when you insist that the principle of "presumed innocence" only applies to the court of law.

    Say a woman makes a pass at a married man and is rebuked. Then several years later in order to get revenge on the man who spurned her she tells everyone who will listen that ten years earlier he tried to rape her. And even though none of the circumstances which she relates about the supposed event check out as being factual the man does not enjoy a presumption of innocence, according to you, because the issue is not being decided in a court of law.

    The man must prove his innocence even though she cannot even give the time when it supposedly happened or the place. And then since that is impossible those who heard the false charges believe her because the woman must be believed.

    As far as I can tell you would fall right in line with those who say that she must be believed because he does not enjoy the presumption of innocence!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    Only Ford, Kavanaugh and his buddy know the truth. Anyone else who says they do is confusing their imagination and bias with knowledge.
    Ford said her longtime friend was there so Ford was not telling the truth because her friend said she wasn't there. Who do you believe, Ford or her long-time friend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Ford said her longtime friend was there so Ford was not telling the truth because her friend said she wasn't there. Who do you believe, Ford or her long-time friend?
    SLAM!!


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    Three weeks until we see how badly this backfires on the libtards

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    Jerry, this is right in line with your thread title:




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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Ford said her longtime friend was there
    Right. At a party decades ago among how many parties?

    so Ford was not telling the truth because her friend said she wasn't there.
    Her friend didn't say that. Do you even know the name of that friend? Look back, I gave it to you. Her friend said she doesn't remember the party. Why would she? Can you remember every or even most of the parties you went to as a teenager?

    I can think of a couple where the police showed up. And that's why I remember them. Otherwise...not so much.

    Who do you believe, Ford or her long-time friend?
    Her friend actually said that she believes Ford. You need a better command of the facts.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    You are the one who throws your reason to the wind when you insist that the principle of "presumed innocence" only applies to the court of law.
    What I've actually done is set out why the legal presumption of innocence doesn't and shouldn't apply to the Kavanaugh hearing. I've told you the why of that presumption at law, the purpose it serves and how that wouldn't fit with the Committee's role.

    Say a woman makes a pass at a married man and is rebuked. Then several years later in order to get revenge on the man who spurned her she tells everyone who will listen that ten years earlier he tried to rape her. And even though none of the circumstances which she relates about the supposed event check out as being factual the man does not enjoy a presumption of innocence because the issue is not being decided in a court of law.
    Or, you could just say, "Sometimes a woman might or will lie about sexual assault." Sure. It has happened. We had a fairly prominent example of it not that long ago. It's the sort of exception that shouldn't be confused with the rule AND it's why I have said and continue to say that we shouldn't go into any non-judicial hearing assuming that anyone is telling the truth, that we should consider everything and reach an informed conclusion.

    The man must prove his innocence even though she cannot even give the time when it supposedly happened or the place.
    I've spoken to memory. I've literally set out how you can be telling the plain truth, decades removed, and not have any number of things in your recollection that would be helpful to recall. I've noted prior that witnesses in close proximity to a traumatic event will get all sorts of things wrong. And to an extent, that's an argument for Ford's veracity, not against it. If she could set out every detail I'd suspect the narrative, absent a diary or some document she'd produced and used to refresh her memory.

    And then since that is impossible those who heard the false charges believe her because the woman must be believed.
    Not my proffer at all. Not a position I've ever supported. What I have said is that as a rule women come forward because they have, in fact, been sexually assaulted. And I've also said that rules tend to break down along the exceptions, so we have to look at individual cases without the presumption, but as a society understand they're mostly coming forward to tell a horrible truth and we should encourage them to feel safe enough to do that. We should divest ourselves of the tendency to ask questions like, "What were you wearing?" or "What were you doing at a bar alone that late at night?" that come with the insinuation of a shared guilt. That sort of thing.

    As far as I can tell you would fall right in line with those who say that she must be believed because he does not enjoy the presumption of innocence!
    Then as far as I can tell either your reason or your reading is compromised, because it not only doesn't, I've repeatedly told you that it doesn't. I've consistently called for an examination of both narratives and a reasoned conclusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    You are confusing your posts with intelligent statements.
    You're confusing a declaration with an argument.

    Or maybe you just don't know they're different.

    Only the moon knows if there's an underground Martian outpost on it, but I can tell you now that there's not.
    I'd point out the flaw in that fumbling, but until you connect it why should I bother?

    Only Ford, Kavanaugh and his buddy know the truth
    That's what I said. You just keep getting funnier.

    but I can tell everyone now that Ford is a lying sack of sh*t.
    You can say anything and if there's one thing your posting here over time has proved it's that you darn near will.

    Even her own friend contradicted her testimony.
    She didn't.

    "Although Ford’s friend Keyser said she does not remember attending a party where Kavanaugh was present, she told The Washington Post that she believed the allegation made by Ford, while Ford herself has said that she did not expect Keyser to remember the party because she had told no one about what happened until 2012." Newsweek, LINK
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