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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    Well the only witnesses to what she claims she experienced would be Kavanaugh and Judge. Kavanaugh has a reason for not remembering---he wants to be on The Court. Judge has a reason too---major alcohol issues according to his book and to Kavanaugh.
    And this is not a court of law. This is a political issue, whether he should get a life time appointment to the US Supreme Court.
    That is false, Ms Ford also named her friend Leland Keyser as a witness that was with her at the alleged party, and she has told investigators she has no knowledge of the event so, even her own friends won't back this tale. Ms Ford is not a credible witness & her story is not credible with the absence of evidence or corroboration. You are free to believe this nonsensical work of political fiction but, with nothing to back it up that is all this is....Fiction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    Well the only witnesses to what she claims she experienced would be Kavanaugh and Judge.
    Not true, the other people who she says were at the party have no recollection of it;
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/29/polit...fbi/index.html
    "Simply put, Ms. Keyser does not know Mr. Kavanaugh and she has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Dr. Ford."....
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    "I understand that I have been identified by Dr. Christine Blasey Ford as the person she remembers as 'PJ' who supposedly was present at the party she described in her statements to the Washington Post," Smyth said in the statement. "I am issuing this statement today to make it clear to all involved that I have no knowledge of the party in question; nor do I have any knowledge of the allegations of improper conduct she has leveled against Brett Kavanaugh."
    Not only that but Ford herself can't say where or when this party happened.
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    A woman claimed she was sexually assaulted by a white man


    Why isn't that enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fool View Post
    Not true, the other people who she says were at the party have no recollection of it;


    And



    Not only that but Ford herself can't say where or when this party happened.
    It is refreshing to see there are some civil libertarians left in the world Fool....Good on you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    Well the only witnesses to what she claims ....

    ...would be the police to whom she reported the assault when it happened

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    ...would be the police to whom she reported the assault when it happened
    Well...there is that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketman View Post
    It is refreshing to see there are some civil libertarians left in the world Fool....Good on you!
    I don't consider myself a Libertarian.
    And if Ford's allegations are true I would say it's disqualifying. But she's managed to make an un-falsifiable claim. Since she doesn't know where or when this happened Kavenaugh can't refute it by showing he was out of town that day for example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fool View Post
    I don't consider myself a Libertarian.
    And if Ford's allegations are true I would say it's disqualifying. But she's managed to make an un-falsifiable claim. Since she doesn't know where or when this happened Kavenaugh can't refute it by showing he was out of town that day for example.
    I didn't say "Libertarian", I said "Civil Libertarian" which is to say you are thinking unbiased based upon the premises of the law, and the individual liberties we share in this country which include the presumption of innocence & the burden of proof to prove that we are guilty of something. These pillars are being eroded for a political reason and it is disgusting to watch really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketman View Post
    I didn't say "Libertarian", I said "Civil Libertarian" which is to say you are thinking unbiased based upon the premises of the law, and the individual liberties we share in this country which include the presumption of innocence & the burden of proof to prove that we are guilty of something. These pillars are being eroded for a political reason and it is disgusting to watch really.
    Kavenaugh is being "Moored".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Her best friend denied it ever happened.
    not true.

    Leland Keyser said she does not remember the party in question. Keyser has also said that she believes FOrd.




    So did three others she said were there.
    also not true. None of the people identified by Ford has said it didn't happen.

    Don't let the evidence get in your way because if you do then perhaps you might actually see the truth that her accusations cannot be described as being reliable.
    If we are talking about truth then you might want to start by having your claims here reflect the truth.

    Further Ford's claims are just as reliable as Kavanaugh's. which is why there needs to be an investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrDante View Post
    Ford's claims are just as reliable as Kavanaugh's.
    not if you believe that someone is innocent until proven guilty

    in that case, the only way your statement would be true would be if Kavanaugh had corroborated Ford's claims

    which is why there needs to be an investigation.
    of something that may or may not have happened 36 years ago, of which the accuser has trouble recollecting key details?

    what would you investigate?

    who would you question that hasn't already been questioned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Her attorneys say that they want all the evidence examined but they refuse to release her medical records which will tell us if she recovered her memory after being hypnotized because if she was that makes what she remembered highly suspicious!

    As if it wasn't already highly suspicious!
    what evidence is there that hypnosis was involved at all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    not if you believe that someone is innocent until proven guilty
    Reliable, as in both parties have made claims and neither party can do much to back their statements up.




    in that case, the only way your statement would be true would be if Kavanaugh had corroborated Ford's claims



    of something that may or may not have happened 36 years ago, of which the accuser has trouble recollecting key details?

    what would you investigate?

    who would you question that hasn't already been questioned?
    the FBI will be doing just that, investigating a very old claim. It's something they do regularly.

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    again, what would they investigate?

    ford claims that she, kavanaugh and judge(?) were present

    kavanaugh and judge deny the incident happened

    nobody ford claims was there corroborates her story

    she never reported an assault


    what's to investigate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrDante View Post
    not true.

    Leland Keyser said she does not remember the party in question. Keyser has also said that she believes FOrd.
    Actually it is true because she still has not corroborated Ms Ford's Story. Ms Keyser can say she "believes in Ms Ford's story to the moon and back, she can say she believes in the tooth fairy too, it doesn't change the statement her lawyer released Saturday Sept 19th which said thus:


    On Saturday, Keyser said through her lawyer in a letter to the committee that she was willing to "cooperate fully with the FBI's supplemental investigation" into Kavanaugh.

    "However, as my client has already made clear, she does not know Judge Kavanaugh and has no recollection of ever being at a party or gathering where he was present, with, or without, Dr. Ford," the letter from Howard Walsh, Keyser's attorney, said. It continued that Keyser "does not refute Dr. Ford's account, and she has already told the press that she believes Dr. Ford's account."

    "However, the simple and unchangeable truth is that she is unable to corroborate it because she has no recollection of the incident in question," the letter continued.



    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/christi...ett-kavanaugh/

    It is a big semantics game here but, even though Ms Keyser does not openly refute her friend's testimony her statement refutes it.
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