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    Democrats Destroying the Most Important Principles of Justice in the USA

    Brett Kavanaugh has been nominated to serve as a Justice of the United States Supreme Court. This requires that he be confirmed by the Senate.

    Recently a woman emerged who accused Kavanaugh of sexually assaulting her when they were all teenagers, several decades ago.

    This is tantamount to accusing the man of a crime.

    But rather than treat this as any other criminal matter in which the authorities would investigate the evidence to determine if charges are warranted… or the case is put to a court and jury to decide… the once-hallowed halls of the US Senate have been turned into an embarrassing circus that shines a giant spotlight on the deep social divides in the Land of the Free.

    The whole charade is a horrible offense to the basic principles of justice in which a person is presumed to be innocent until proven guilty.

    When it comes to claims of sexual assault, however, the man is automatically deemed guilty … and the accuser praised for her courage and bravery before the veracity of the assertion is ever deliberated.


    Senator Maize Hirono of Hawaii recently stated, “Not only do women like [Kavanaugh’s accuser], who bravely come forward, need to be heard, but they need to be believed.”

    By definition this is neither fair nor impartial, and turns the entire process into a Kangaroo Court… which is what the Senate has become.

    At a certain point yesterday, one Senator introduced multiple pieces of evidence on behalf of the accuser, including ‘expert reports’ that justify her inability to remember details from the assault.

    This is truly bizarre.

    These Senators are playing the role of judge in this matter. It seems impossible to do this while simultaneously acting as advocate for the accuser.

    Another Senator sat smugly and sanctimoniously, leering down at Brett Kavanaugh and demanding explanations about code words for beer and flatulence that date back to Kavanaugh’s high school days.

    The fact that a United States Senator would actually consider this important evidence is an utter embarrassment.


    Another disgusting perversion of justice is that the United States Senate actually felt compelled to negotiate with the accuser about when/how she would testify.

    For example, the accuser wanted to prohibit certain questions, control who could/could not ask questions, determine the order of witness testimony, etc.

    This is simply NOT how the justice system is supposed to work.


    Accusers must face the accused in a court of law and submit to cross-examination, following the same rules that everyone else has to follow.

    No one is supposed to get special treatment. That’s the point. And it is through this process that the truth is eventually discovered.

    It’s not that I don’t believe the accuser. It’s entirely possible that she’s telling the truth.

    But as this case has not been deliberated objectively through the normal due process that is guaranteed by the Constitution, no one can reach a valid conclusion.


    Yet there are countless legions of people, including United States Senators, who have already made up their minds, like the Inquisition demanding, “Do you confess?”

    And that’s the saddest part – this manner of Inquisition... trial by social media... has now been condoned and advanced by the United States Senate, an institution whose members have ALL taken a solemn oath to support and defend the Constitution which they are now violating in the worst way.

    Clearly the Senate is no longer an assembly of kings… but a brood of bickering, immature weaklings.

    (The only resilience displayed has been from the accused and accuser, both of whom have had to endure insane public scrutiny.)

    There’s obviously an agenda here.

    Perhaps some Senators are trying to win points with the #metoo movement for the upcoming elections.

    Or they’re intentionally blocking Kavanaugh simply because he is a Trump nominee.

    Whatever their reasons, they may be victorious in achieving their desired outcome.

    But it will be a Pyrrhic victory... for it will come at the expense of establishing a dangerous new standard that destroys the most important principles of Justice.


    The Democrats are doing their very best to destroy the basic principles upon which the USA was founded because of their thirst of power. And the mainstream media, who should be the protector of civil rights for the citizens, has become an abetter and conspirator along with the Democrat Party.

    The Communists, who want to destroy the USA, couldn't have drawn up a better plan to do that than the one which is now being employed by the Democrats and the mainstream media. In fact, the Democrats are taking their playbook from the Communists and Socialists!

    The people who continue to vote for and support the Democrats are digging their own graves!

    And they are so uninformed they do it with smiles on their faces!

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    And do we know what "devil's triangle" and "boofed" really mean? Not the choir boy's last minute definition.

    Kavanaugh has been caught in lying about his alcohol consumption, what he did in high school, what he did in college.

    He should have been honest and admitted that there was a time he was drinking like a fish, cannot remember and if he did that he was sorry, but since then he has tried to lead a better life etc. American's are very forgiving, especially to things that stupid adolescents do.

    But instead he followed the Roy Cohn/Donald Trump script and became aggressive. Less than 50/50 this ends well for him or the Rethuglicans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    He should have been honest and admitted that there was a time he was drinking like a fish, cannot remember and if he did that he was sorry, but since then he has tried to lead a better life etc. American's are very forgiving, especially to things that stupid adolescents do.
    Exactly what is your expertise in how he lived his life eons ago?

    All you prove to me is that you are so gullible you will believe anything you read about what happened many years ago despite the fact that all through Cavanaugh's career the people he worked with have nothing but good things to say about him.

    You better pray to the Lord that you never get in a position when you must prove your innocence about something which might have happened or might not have happened 30 years ago.

    Good luck, buddy, because you are going to need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Exactly what is your expertise in how he lived his life eons ago?

    All you prove to me is that you are so gullible you will believe anything you read about what happened many years ago despite the fact that all through Cavanaugh's career the people he worked with have nothing but good things to say about him.

    You better pray to the Lord that you never get in a position when you must prove your innocence about something which might have happened or might not have happened 30 years ago.

    Good luck, buddy, because you are going to need it.
    People who knew him in college are stating he was a sloppy aggressive belligerent drunk.

    He doesnt have to prove his innocence about something that happened 30+ years ago, he just needs to be truthful but he has not been. Which leads one to suspect he is either not being truthful about Ford or he honestly does not remember because he was drunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    People who knew him in college are stating he was a sloppy aggressive belligerent drunk.
    which people?

    cite?

    He doesnt have to prove his innocence about something that happened 30+ years ago...
    or didn't happen

    see what you did there?


    , he just needs to be truthful but he has not been.
    in what way has he not been truthful?



    Which leads one to suspect...
    this is the sort of sloppy thinking that rules social media

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    He doesnt have to prove his innocence about something that happened 30+ years ago, he just needs to be truthful but he has not been.
    So you are just the latest who have joined hands with those who convict people of crimes with nothing but accusations.

    Congratulations!

    The Democrats are looking for people just like you, people who do not need evidence to convict anyone of anything. Just continue to support them and you will find yourself on the bad side of the stick!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    So you are just the latest who have joined hands with those who convict people of crimes with nothing but accusations.

    Congratulations!

    The Democrats are looking for people just like you, people who do not need evidence to convict anyone of anything. Just continue to support them and you will find yourself on the bad side of the stick!
    I made no attempt to convict him of a crime. What I have suggested is that Kavanaugh has difficulty with the truth. Probably one reason trump likes him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    So you are just the latest who have joined hands with those who convict people of crimes with nothing but accusations.
    you mean like your conviction of Dr. Christine Blasey Ford with nothing but accusations?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    I made no attempt to convict him of a crime. What I have suggested is that Kavanaugh has difficulty with the truth. Probably one reason trump likes him.
    Where is your evidence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrDante View Post
    you mean like your conviction of Dr. Christine Blasey Ford with nothing but accusations?
    Her best friend denied it ever happened. So did three others she said were there.

    Don't let the evidence get in your way because if you do then perhaps you might actually see the truth that her accusations cannot be described as being reliable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    I made no attempt to convict him of a crime. What I have suggested is that Kavanaugh has difficulty with the truth. Probably one reason trump likes him.
    How so? Other than your opinion what proof of the man's "trouble with the truth" do you have? Conversely what proof do you have that Ms Ford is telling the truth? The truth here is that only one side has made an accusation, that would be Ms Ford, and it is she who has had a problem with laying down anything that can be proven. The woman does not know what, where, why, or how of any of her allegations, not one so called witness including her own friends can corroborate her accusation, and from this total lack of any evidence we, the people, are to believe her because she says so? Cmon man...That is absolute nonsense and you know it. Ms, Ford was asked if she was 100% sure that Kavanaugh was her assaulter and her reply was "I Believe" 100% that Mr Kavanaugh was the man...very slippery, can't be perjury on what you believe to be true, and all we got from that was that she "believes" her own story...whoopee do! The question she never answered was an unequivocal Yes or No that this man assaulted her. whether you believe Kavanaugh or not is really irrelevant because up to right this moment there isn't a shred of evidence or one witness that proves he is not telling the truth, its called the presumption of innocence & the burden of proof, two of the pillars our legal system is built on, Ms Ford has yet to satisfy the burden of proof to back her rather nefarious claim, #metoo may be a legitimate movement but, it certainly isn't a legal standard that can be used to convict a person based on just a accusation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketman View Post
    Conversely what proof do you have that Ms Ford is telling the truth? The truth here is that only one side has made an accusation, that would be Ms Ford, and it is she who has had a problem with laying down anything that can be proven.
    Her attorneys say that they want all the evidence examined but they refuse to release her medical records which will tell us if she recovered her memory after being hypnotized because if she was that makes what she remembered highly suspicious!

    As if it wasn't already highly suspicious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Her attorneys say that they want all the evidence examined but they refuse to release her medical records which will tell us if she recovered her memory after being hypnotized because if she was that makes what she remembered highly suspicious!

    As if it wasn't already highly suspicious!
    I cannot speak to anything this woman did to prepare for telling this tall tale, the only thing I wanted to point out is that nothing she has alleged to date has been corroborated by evidence or witnesses, which makes her allegation weak at best, and a bold face lie at worst.
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    This is becoming more and more reminiscent of the mcmartin daycare case, in which the children's "memories" turned out to be completely false, an artifact of leading and suggestive questioning

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketman View Post
    I cannot speak to anything this woman did to prepare for telling this tall tale, the only thing I wanted to point out is that nothing she has alleged to date has been corroborated by evidence or witnesses, which makes her allegation weak at best, and a bold face lie at worst.
    Well the only witnesses to what she claims she experienced would be Kavanaugh and Judge. Kavanaugh has a reason for not remembering---he wants to be on The Court. Judge has a reason too---major alcohol issues according to his book and to Kavanaugh.
    And this is not a court of law. This is a political issue, whether he should get a life time appointment to the US Supreme Court.

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