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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    Do you want to stone adulterers?
    The government should execute capital criminals.

    You want to make this into an emotional thing, but God says to execute "without mercy."

    Quit with the emotionalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    Christ forgave them....
    "them" who?

    all adulterers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Which reminds me, and leads me to retract my previous change of mind on this matter...

    How many times in "Of Mice and Men" did Lennie kill an animal unintentionally?

    Or at least, was it often enough to make mention of it in the narrative?

    Seems to me like that was one of the main themes throughout the book.

    So Lennie was known to kill creatures, even if unintentionally, if he lost control.

    Once Lennie killed a person, Curly's wife, a judge would have looked at his past, and recognized that Lennie was a danger to those around him, because of his (yes, unintentional) killing of animals, and now a woman, and he should have been put to death, not by George, but by Curly.
    The main theme in Of Mice and Men is the American depression. Yes, Lennie's killed animals in the book but again, never intentionally. He's a grown man with immense physical strength who doesn't realize how much and with the mind a child, something Curly finds out when he tries to beat him up and has his hand crushed for his effort. Even then Lennie isn't violent or wants anything to do with violence. His character didn't deserve to be executed by anybody.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    His character didn't deserve to be executed by anybody.
    Except for that pesky little fact that he was a murderer, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Sure it is!
    No, it isn't and this is such an ignorant statement to make. I'm with a company that specialises in domiciliary care with the aim to help people live as independently as possible and for as long as possible in their own homes. Not everybody has a family or friends for support and that isn't always because they've been abandoned either. Even with those who have loving families then they can't always be there twenty four seven or even be capable of dispensing the required care in plenty cases. Often, care workers help out families by providing much needed additional support. In other areas the family can't give the support required in cases of extreme mental health conditions and challenging behaviours. In some cases people need a care home environment tailored to their specific needs, it doesn't mean their family doesn't care or visit.

    There's a call because people are lazy and have lost all respect for the value of life.

    Also because of economic issues caused by a number of different reasons, but that's another topic for another time.
    On the first point, garbage. On the second, economics can play a part but care still needs to be paid for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    So it wasn't a "heinous crime" then was it? Lennie didn't have any evil intent so he shouldn't be treated as a criminal who kills in cold blood. Your solution just seems to be to kill Lennie as oppose to him being given care and separated from the public.
    His brother was his guardian, but it did nothing to prevent Lennie from killing (whether he meant to or not).
    Lennie also didn't mean to kill the mouse, but he did because he could not control himself.
    Didn't he also kill a puppy? (I may be getting my books mixed up.)
    He was dangerous to society even though he did not mean to be.

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Well, in the case of Thompson and Venables, it would have prevented them from committing further crimes that degrade society even further... such as posession of child pornography.
    Locking them away for life would have achieved the same result.

    Did she kill him as he was abusing her? or did she kill him while he was sitting around reading the newspaper?

    The former is potentially justifiable, the latter is murder.
    I would not agree with your analyses at all. That he is not abusing her at this particular moment does not mean that he is not still an abuser just waiting till the time when he will abuse her again.

    Forgiveness this, forgiveness that.

    You undermine the gospel of God when you teach superfluous forgiveness.

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    I do not consider Bob Enyart an inspired teacher. The Gospel is supposed to be Good News. It is supposed to give people hope that God wants everybody to live with Him in Heaven. Few will accept the invitation but it is available to all. Yet so many Christians preach that God wants homosexuals and adulterers and rape victims and fornicators and kids who smite their parents and false witness all stoned to death. In the ONLY example we have from Christ, you know, our Lord and Savior, Jesus forgave the woman. Interestingly, she did not even ask for forgiveness and He still forgave here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    His brother was his guardian, but it did nothing to prevent Lennie from killing (whether he meant to or not).
    Lennie also didn't mean to kill the mouse, but he did because he could not control himself.
    Didn't he also kill a puppy? (I may be getting my books mixed up.)
    He was dangerous to society even though he did not mean to be.
    He's simply a guy who doesn't know his own strength. He never intends to kill animal or human in the book. The only time he resorts to violence is when he protects himself from Curly's assault. There's ways to protect society from unwitting people like Lennie besides killing them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    "them" who?

    all adulterers?
    All sinners. All. It is not your sins that condemn you before God, it is what you do with His Son in your life. If you surrender to Jesus and follow in His footsteps, you will be welcomed home. How do you know if you are following in His footsteps. Read my signature.
    Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

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    in a discussion about civil law, CM writes:
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    Christ forgave (all sinners)
    Then why don't you? I've seen you advocate for civil penalties for criminal behavior.

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    If Christ forgave all sinners, why have any penalties at all for theft, rape, murder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    in a discussion about civil law, CM writes:

    Then why don't you? I've seen you advocate for civil penalties for criminal behavior.
    Ah, but there is the question! In a civil society, laws are required to maintain order. The only thing a law can do, any law (including God's law), is to set forth unacceptable acts and proscribe punishment. A law, including God's law, cannot save anybody, they can only condemn. I support the laws that we make to manage and maintain our society including the punishment prescribed by those laws. But God's expectations for me as a believer are different. I do not believe that God wants me to be the executioner, He wants me to be the one helps a prodigal child return home to the Father that loves them. Killing people is easy. Turning a soul towards Christ is hard and much more rewarding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    Coward.


    Troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    ... I support the laws that we make to manage and maintain our society ....

    Even when they violate God's Law?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    He's simply a guy who doesn't know his own strength.
    And killed because of it.
    What should Lennie's brother have done to protect society from his brother Lennie?

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
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