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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Don't leave your family members in such a place.
    Again, what standards of "care" do you have in America if what you've described is the norm?!

    Well this is fun isn't it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Seriously, you need it explained? Just look at the "Of Mice & Men" example again. Did Lennie mean to kill Curly's wife? No, did she die, yes, was it a heinous crime? No. Was it a tragedy? Yes. Do the math.
    You do the math.
    One is DEAD because of Lennie's mental handicap.
    And he could kill again just as easily.
    How many "tragedies" are we suppose to allow Lennie to have?

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Again, what standards of "care" do you have in America if what you've described is the norm?!

    If you love them, keep them at home where they can be with someone that loves them.

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    ... was it a heinous crime? No.

    Ok so it looks like you're just defining "heinous" to mean whatever you want it to mean

    Since it doesn't mean anything at all, let's stop paying attention to it, treat it like a tourettes outburst you can't control

    The only questions that matter are:

    1. Did lenny kill curly's wife?
    2. Did lenny know that killing curly's wife was wrong?
    3. Should lenny be punished for killing curly's wife?
    4. What punishment should be given to lenny for killing curly's wife?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketman View Post
    I don't see this debate as a gleeful desire to kill, nor is that my assertion but, I will say that the heinous crimes in our society should be met with the most extreme punishment up to, and including the death penalty. I don't believe that God has changed, his laws are just & true, certainly mercy should be extended in some cases yes but, in other cases it should be applied for the good of society.
    What good is there to society in executing a child as some here advocate? A woman kills her aggressively abusive husband. She saved society from him, does she deserve to be killed as well?
    Yes, there are times when people should be executed. I don't think that we as representatives of God's forgiveness in our lives should be the ones leading the charge for more executions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    But you're not going to explain any of this. You're just going to pretend you have some profound understanding.



    Nope. The only reasoning available to you from John 8 is "him without sin" and "sin no more."

    How this translates to "raising the standard" is anybody's guess.



    Emotionalism and nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    You do the math.
    One is DEAD because of Lennie's mental handicap.
    And he could kill again just as easily.
    How many "tragedies" are we suppose to allow Lennie to have?
    So it wasn't a "heinous crime" then was it? Lennie didn't have any evil intent so he shouldn't be treated as a criminal who kills in cold blood. Your solution just seems to be to kill Lennie as oppose to him being given care and separated from the public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    If you love them, keep them at home where they can be with someone that loves them.
    That's not always a possibility otherwise there'd be no call for any sort of care industry. That should really be obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    ....him being given care and separated from the public.
    iow, lock him up and keep him medicated

    and where's the justice in that, considering that he's a murderer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    Do you want to stone adulterers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Seriously, you need it explained? Just look at the "Of Mice & Men" example again. Did Lennie mean to kill Curly's wife? No, did she die, yes, was it a heinous crime? No. Was it a tragedy? Yes. Do the math.
    Which reminds me, and leads me to retract my previous change of mind on this matter...

    How many times in "Of Mice and Men" did Lennie kill an animal unintentionally?

    Or at least, was it often enough to make mention of it in the narrative?

    Seems to me like that was one of the main themes throughout the book.

    So Lennie was known to kill creatures, even if unintentionally, if he lost control.

    Once Lennie killed a person, Curly's wife, a judge would have looked at his past, and recognized that Lennie was a danger to those around him, because of his (yes, unintentional) killing of animals, and now a woman, and he should have been put to death, not by George, but by Curly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    Ok so it looks like you're just defining "heinous" to mean whatever you want it to mean

    Since it doesn't mean anything at all, let's stop paying attention to it, treat it like a tourettes outburst you can't control

    The only questions that matter are:

    1. Did lenny kill curly's wife?
    2. Did lenny know that killing curly's wife was wrong?
    3. Should lenny be punished for killing curly's wife?
    4. What punishment should be given to lenny for killing curly's wife?
    Don't forget: "Has Lennie killed before (human or animal), and if so, what were the circumstances surrounding it?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    What good is there to society in executing a child as some here advocate?
    Well, in the case of Thompson and Venables, it would have prevented them from committing further crimes that degrade society even further... such as posession of child pornography.

    A woman kills her aggressively abusive husband. She saved society from him, does she deserve to be killed as well?
    Did she kill him as he was abusing her? or did she kill him while he was sitting around reading the newspaper?

    The former is potentially justifiable, the latter is murder.

    Yes, there are times when people should be executed. I don't think that we as representatives of God's forgiveness in our lives should be the ones leading the charge for more executions.
    Forgiveness this, forgiveness that.

    You undermine the gospel of God when you teach superfluous forgiveness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    That's not always a possibility
    Sure it is!

    otherwise there'd be no call for any sort of care industry.
    There's a call because people are lazy and have lost all respect for the value of life.

    Also because of economic issues caused by a number of different reasons, but that's another topic for another time.

    That should really be obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    Christ forgave them
    Where?

    Certainly not in John 8...

    You can't be forgiven for something if you haven't been condemned for doing it.

    You would be a better witness for ISIS than you are for Christ.

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