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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Society should be protected from heinous crimes whether the person committing the crime realizes they are doing wrong or not.
    Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
    If they have shown that they are dangerous to others because of their lack of knowing what is right and wrong, society still needs to be protected from them.

    It's an unfortunate situation, but safety still needs to be at the forefront.
    Are willing to stand behind your convictions and cast the first stone?

    I am willing to use leathal force ro defend met family should the need arise. I support the death penalty for certain crimes but I am not willing to be the exception.
    Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    You have no capacity to construct a rational argument. This is all emotionalism and nonsense.

    You appeal to John 8 as if Jesus did away with the law, but you want your own standards adhered to when it comes to sentencing.

    You make the law of no effect and you're a hypocrite.
    Stripe, you have no idea what a rational argument is.

    As to the Law, it is what Paul said it should be: my teacher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    It is not for convenience, it is for a heinous crime committed.
    A heinous crime requires intent, that's why we have laws that take into account the age, condition, mental development/impairment of a person. It's why we don't put six year old children to death by way of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Right.
    Just shuffle them off to a place where you can't see them and how they are treated there.
    Out of sight, out of mind.

    It might even be bearable IF you could afford a high dollar facility with an adequate staff.
    But the state run mental facilities are a hell hole.
    So understaffed that the patients are dirty and unkept because the staff only does a half-*** job so they won't get in trouble for not completing all the tasks.
    The whole place stinks like a dog kennel.
    Everyone around you is a complete stranger, no one is there to love you and comfort you.
    And for some reason some folks want to call that being caring and humane.
    Well, I don't know what the laws are like over there but any place of care operating like that would be breaking a whole load of laws over here. We have regulatory bodies (The Care Quality Commission) that regularly inspect places to ensure that they're working in accordance with established codes of practice in care. It's a duty of care to report any such concerns where it comes to suspicions of maltreatment, abuse, unhygienic living conditions etc too. It does go on in care unfortunately but it's hardly the norm and any place operating as you describe should be shut down pronto along with prosecutions for those abusing their positions of care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    A heinous crime requires intent...

    So if i get blind drunk and unintentionally drive through a playground and kill seventeen children, that's not a "heinous crime"?


    Thompson and venables fully intended to kidnap, torture and murder james Patrick bulger

    Why shouldn't they be held accountable for their "heinous crime"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    Stripe, you have no idea what a rational argument is.


    OP and your other posts make your position clear: You think John 8 eliminates the death penalty. It could only do that through "he without sin" and "go and sin no more." This would eliminate all attempts to convict or assert justice.

    Yet you present your own idea of how criminals should be punished. You make the law of no effect and you're a hypocrite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    As to the Law, it is what Paul said it should be: my teacher.
    So what did you learn? that the law is of no consequence? That the law is not to be applied or referred to to enact justice? Is justice to be applied on mans terms or the terms God himself laid out. Gods Law is a blueprint for societal order & justice, where when Jesus used the phrase "to he without sin cast the first stone" was used in the context to teach mercy to a lawless rabble seeking to catch the Son of God defying the law. He never defied the law or made it void by pointing out the sin of the accusers in this individual teaching nor does it prove that God demands no consequence or justice to be applied in society. It certainly doesn't make the assertion that the death penalty was made void with advent of Jesus Christ & the New Testament.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    As to the Law, it is what Paul said it should be: my teacher.
    well, take the crayon out of your nose, stop eating the paste and start paying attention

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post


    OP and your other posts make your position clear: You think John 8 eliminates the death penalty. It could only do that through "he without sin" and "go and sin no more." This would eliminate all attempts to convict or assert justice.

    Yet you present your own idea of how criminals should be punished. You make the law of no effect and you're a hypocrite.



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    I think that John 8 certainly raises the standard as to when it should be applied.

    As to the rest of your "argument", well, an ad hominem fallacy is the last resort of one who has no argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rocketman View Post
    So what did you learn? that the law is of no consequence? That the law is not to be applied or referred to to enact justice? Is justice to be applied on mans terms or the terms God himself laid out. Gods Law is a blueprint for societal order & justice, where when Jesus used the phrase "to he without sin cast the first stone" was used in the context to teach mercy to a lawless rabble seeking to catch the Son of God defying the law. He never defied the law or made it void by pointing out the sin of the accusers in this individual teaching nor does it prove that God demands no consequence or justice to be applied in society. It certainly doesn't make the assertion that the death penalty was made void with advent of Jesus Christ & the New Testament.
    What troubles me is the gleeful desire so many "Christians" here have to kill. So many here would rather kill than save. What kind of witnes is that for the Man who died so you would not have to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    What troubles me is the gleeful desire so many "Christians" here have to kill. So many here would rather kill than save. What kind of witnes is that for the Man who died so you would not have to.
    I don't see this debate as a gleeful desire to kill, nor is that my assertion but, I will say that the heinous crimes in our society should be met with the most extreme punishment up to, and including the death penalty. I don't believe that God has changed, his laws are just & true, certainly mercy should be extended in some cases yes but, in other cases it should be applied for the good of society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    You have identified a problem in society. What the solution to that problem?
    Don't leave your family members in such a place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    A heinous crime requires intent,
    Because????

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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    I think that John 8 certainly raises the standard as to when it should be applied.
    But you're not going to explain any of this. You're just going to pretend you have some profound understanding.

    As to the rest of your "argument", well, an ad hominem fallacy is the last resort of one who has no argument.
    Nope. The only reasoning available to you from John 8 is "him without sin" and "sin no more."

    How this translates to "raising the standard" is anybody's guess.

    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    What troubles me is the gleeful desire so many "Christians" here have to kill. So many here would rather kill than save. What kind of witnes is that for the Man who died so you would not have to.
    Emotionalism and nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Because????
    Seriously, you need it explained? Just look at the "Of Mice & Men" example again. Did Lennie mean to kill Curly's wife? No, did she die, yes, was it a heinous crime? No. Was it a tragedy? Yes. Do the math.
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