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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post


    I quoted him in my response.
    What verse has Jesus using the word innocent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    ... The woman was found innocent due to lack of witnesses.
    I would say that the woman's guilt was not proven to the satisfaction of the Law
    Last edited by ok doser; October 10th, 2018 at 10:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    What verse has Jesus using the word innocent?
    Nowhere...I was quoting Judge
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    I would say that the wonan's guilt was not proven to the satisfaction of the Law
    Why would you say that....
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Nowhere...I was quoting Judge
    Judge Rightly is mistaken in saying she was was found innocent due to lack of witnesses.
    Jesus said she lacked the witnesses needed to condemn her.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Judge Rightly is mistaken in saying she was was found innocent due to lack of witnesses.
    I agree, which is why I was seeking clarification from him.

    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Jesus said she lacked the witnesses needed to condemn her.
    That's your interpretation of it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Um, gonna have to disagree on them assuming it..she was caught in the act......guilt she provided.
    sorry brum - i can't make myself clear on my handheld - those who caught her in the act were satisfied that she was guilty. The Law had stricter requirements to satisfy.


    but to get back to the passage:


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    john 8:5 Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?



    they weren't asking Him whether she was guilty or innocent, they were asking Him to contradict the Law of Moses so that they might have something with which to accuse Him

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Why would you say that....
    because i draw a distinction between innocent and not guilty, as determined by law

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Judge Rightly is mistaken in saying she was was found innocent due to lack of witnesses.
    Jesus said she lacked the witnesses needed to condemn her.
    right, in effect she was found not guilty, or as is used in some british commmonwealth law, not proven

    it's a distinction between guilt and innocence


    eta: google indicates that its a Scots term, but I believe I've seen it elsewhere

    could be what I'm remembering was archaic usages

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    That's your interpretation of it...
    What does the Law say about what is needed to condemn anyone for breaking the commandments?

    Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.


    What did Jesus ask about?

    John 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    right, in effect she was found not guilty, or as is used in some british commmonwealth law, not proven

    it's a distinction between guilt and innnocence


    eta: google indicates that its a Scots term, but I believe I've seen it elsewhere

    could be what I'm remembering was archaic usages
    Modern term is dismissal.
    The trial was dismissed due to lack of material witnesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    sorry brum - i can't make myself clear on my handheld - those who caught her in the act were satisfied that she was guilty. The Law had stricter requirements to satisfy.


    Agreed!


    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    but to get back to the passage:


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    john 8:5 Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?”



    they weren't asking Him whether she was guilty or innocent,

    Agreed!

    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    they were asking Him to contradict the Law of Moses so that they might have something with which to accuse Him
    So what could Jesus have said which would make them accuse him? I mean, the sabbath accusation was before this event I think. So He was already on the "accused" list so to speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    because i draw a distinction between innocent and not guilty, as determined by law
    Which is why I had asked judge for a clarification in which I asked him,

    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Just to verify, your saying that because witnesses were not provided she was declared innocent? So the process cleared her? So if witnesses did come forward, Jesus would have said she was to be killed? Much appreciated!
    So if witnesses did come forward, Jesus would have said she was to be killed? Much appreciated!
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Agreed!





    Agreed!



    So what could Jesus have said which would make them accuse him? I mean, the sabbath accusation was before this event I think. So He was already on the "accused" list so to speak.
    That's a good question - what were they hoping for in response? What might they have been led to expect?

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    Were they expecting Him to contradict Roman law (which contradicted the law of moses)?

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