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    Are You Qualified to be the Executioner?

    There are a couple of threads currently running about executing children and mentally incompetent persons for capitol crimes. Many who support capitol punishment draw all their support from the Old Covenant. But we live under the New Covenant.

    Jesus was once confronted with the death penalty. It was intended to be a way to trap Jesus but Jesus, being Jesus, was able to use the trap to teach a greater lesson.

    John 8 New International Version (NIV)
    8 1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.

    2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
    But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stoneat her. 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

    9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
    11 “No one, sir,” she said.
    “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”



    To those people who would execute a child, a person of mental incompetence or anybody else for that matter; Are you worthy to throw the first stone?
    Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
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    Maybe the subject is getting old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    It isn't like it's ever going to happen, is it?
    So your gutless position is for execution based on the presumption that "It isn't like it's ever going to happen."?

    Are you simply anti-liberal posturing or do you actually favor executing 6-year olds who kill?
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    Quote Originally Posted by quip View Post
    So your gutless position is for execution based on the presumption that "It isn't like it's ever going to happen."?

    Are you simply anti-liberal posturing or do you actually favor executing 6-year olds who kill?
    Thompson and venables deliberately and with full knowledge of their actions chose to kidnap, torture and murder two year old James Patrick Bulger

    I say they should have been executed for their crimes

    What do you say?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    Thompson and venables deliberately and with full knowledge of their actions chose to kidnap, torture and murder two year old James Patrick Bulger

    I say they should have been executed for their crimes

    What do you say?
    Me: "No."
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    Dupe post.
    Last edited by quip; October 3rd, 2018 at 05:28 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    ... we live under the New Covenant.

    the new covenant in which there are to be no penalties for lying, raping, stealing, committing murder, committing adultery, etc?


    that new covenant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    the new covenant in which there are to be no penalties for lying, raping, stealing, committing murder, committing adultery, etc?


    that new covenant?
    Yes, there is to be punishment for crime. Death is not the only punishment available to us. While it is approeatly for the likes of Ted Bundy, it is not always the right penalty. I think that is what Jesus is teaching.
    Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    There are a couple of threads currently running about executing children and mentally incompetent persons for capitol crimes.
    You have no capacity to construct a rational argument. This is all emotionalism and nonsense.

    You appeal to John 8 as if Jesus did away with the law, but you want your own standards adhered to when it comes to sentencing.

    You make the law of no effect and you're a hypocrite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    You have no capacity to construct a rational argument. This is all emotionalism and nonsense.

    You appeal to John 8 as if Jesus did away with the law, but you want your own standards adhered to when it comes to sentencing.

    You make the law of no effect and you're a hypocrite.
    Stripe, you have no idea what a rational argument is.

    As to the Law, it is what Paul said it should be: my teacher.
    Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    Stripe, you have no idea what a rational argument is.


    OP and your other posts make your position clear: You think John 8 eliminates the death penalty. It could only do that through "he without sin" and "go and sin no more." This would eliminate all attempts to convict or assert justice.

    Yet you present your own idea of how criminals should be punished. You make the law of no effect and you're a hypocrite.

    As to the Law, it is what Paul said it should be: my teacher.
    It's a pity you're a useless student.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    As to the Law, it is what Paul said it should be: my teacher.
    So what did you learn? that the law is of no consequence? That the law is not to be applied or referred to to enact justice? Is justice to be applied on mans terms or the terms God himself laid out. Gods Law is a blueprint for societal order & justice, where when Jesus used the phrase "to he without sin cast the first stone" was used in the context to teach mercy to a lawless rabble seeking to catch the Son of God defying the law. He never defied the law or made it void by pointing out the sin of the accusers in this individual teaching nor does it prove that God demands no consequence or justice to be applied in society. It certainly doesn't make the assertion that the death penalty was made void with advent of Jesus Christ & the New Testament.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    As to the Law, it is what Paul said it should be: my teacher.
    well, take the crayon out of your nose, stop eating the paste and start paying attention

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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    There are a couple of threads currently running about executing children and mentally incompetent persons for capitol crimes.
    For heinous crimes they have committed, not because they are children or mentally incompetent.
    Society should be protected from those that commit heinous crimes whether the person committing the crimes can comprehend that it is wrong or not.

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