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    Are You Qualified to be the Executioner?

    There are a couple of threads currently running about executing children and mentally incompetent persons for capitol crimes. Many who support capitol punishment draw all their support from the Old Covenant. But we live under the New Covenant.

    Jesus was once confronted with the death penalty. It was intended to be a way to trap Jesus but Jesus, being Jesus, was able to use the trap to teach a greater lesson.

    John 8 New International Version (NIV)
    8 1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.

    2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
    But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stoneat her. 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

    9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
    11 “No one, sir,” she said.
    “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”



    To those people who would execute a child, a person of mental incompetence or anybody else for that matter; Are you worthy to throw the first stone?
    Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

    What are my fruits today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    The crickets are telling...
    Maybe the subject is getting old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    ... we live under the New Covenant.

    the new covenant in which there are to be no penalties for lying, raping, stealing, committing murder, committing adultery, etc?


    that new covenant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    There are a couple of threads currently running about executing children and mentally incompetent persons for capitol crimes.
    For heinous crimes they have committed, not because they are children or mentally incompetent.
    Society should be protected from those that commit heinous crimes whether the person committing the crimes can comprehend that it is wrong or not.

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    the new covenant in which there are to be no penalties for lying, raping, stealing, committing murder, committing adultery, etc?


    that new covenant?
    Yes, there is to be punishment for crime. Death is not the only punishment available to us. While it is approeatly for the likes of Ted Bundy, it is not always the right penalty. I think that is what Jesus is teaching.
    Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    For heinous crimes they have committed, not because they are children or mentally incompetent.
    Society should be protected from those that commit heinous crimes whether the person committing the crimes can comprehend that it is wrong or not.
    Was there intent to commit a crime? That is always the rub.
    Galatians 5:22-23 (New International Version)

    But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

    What are my fruits today?

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    I intended to have one beer

    I did not intend to have thirteen

    I did not intend to drive blind drunk and kill a child on the sidewalk


    therefore I am not guilty

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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    Was there intent to commit a crime? That is always the rub.
    Society should be protected from heinous crimes whether the person committing the crime realizes they are doing wrong or not.
    Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
    If they have shown that they are dangerous to others because of their lack of knowing what is right and wrong, society still needs to be protected from them.

    It's an unfortunate situation, but safety still needs to be at the forefront.

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Society should be protected from heinous crimes whether the person committing the crime realizes they are doing wrong or not.
    Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
    If they have shown that they are dangerous to others because of their lack of knowing what is right and wrong, society still needs to be protected from them.

    It's an unfortunate situation, but safety still needs to be at the forefront.
    That can be attained by having such people in institutions where they pose no danger, otherwise it's just killing for convenience.
    Well this is fun isn't it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    That can be attained by having such people in institutions where they pose no danger...

    not possible, unless the patient is restrained 24/7 and heavily medicated (aka "chemical restraints")

    Even then, health workers are at risk

    how does your "empathy" figure a hellish zombie existence better than a quick death?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    That can be attained by having such people in institutions where they pose no danger, otherwise it's just killing for convenience.
    It is not for convenience, it is for a heinous crime committed.

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    not possible, unless the patient is restrained 24/7 and heavily medicated (aka "chemical restraints")

    Even then, health workers are at risk

    how does your "empathy" figure a hellish zombie existence better than a quick death?
    Right.
    Just shuffle them off to a place where you can't see them and how they are treated there.
    Out of sight, out of mind.

    It might even be bearable IF you could afford a high dollar facility with an adequate staff.
    But the state run mental facilities are a hell hole.
    So understaffed that the patients are dirty and unkept because the staff only does a half-*** job so they won't get in trouble for not completing all the tasks.
    The whole place stinks like a dog kennel.
    Everyone around you is a complete stranger, no one is there to love you and comfort you.
    And for some reason some folks want to call that being caring and humane.

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    There are a couple of threads currently running about executing children and mentally incompetent persons for capitol crimes.
    You have no capacity to construct a rational argument. This is all emotionalism and nonsense.

    You appeal to John 8 as if Jesus did away with the law, but you want your own standards adhered to when it comes to sentencing.

    You make the law of no effect and you're a hypocrite.
    Where is the evidence for a global flood?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Right.
    Just shuffle them off to a place where you can't see them and how they are treated there.
    Out of sight, out of mind.

    It might even be bearable IF you could afford a high dollar facility with an adequate staff.
    But the state run mental facilities are a hell hole.
    So understaffed that the patients are dirty and unkept because the staff only does a half-*** job so they won't get in trouble for not completing all the tasks.
    The whole place stinks like a dog kennel.
    Everyone around you is a complete stranger, no one is there to love you and comfort you.
    And for some reason some folks want to call that being caring and humane.
    You have identified a problem in society. What the solution to that problem?

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