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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    The Gentiles need not repent?

    2Co 7:9-10 KJV
    (9) Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance: for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.
    (10) For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

    The Gentiles should not be baptized?

    Mat 28:19 KJV
    (19) Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    The Jew does not need the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ?

    Luk 22:19-20 KJV
    (19) And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
    (20) Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

    Heb 10:26-29 KJV
    (26) For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
    (27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
    (28) He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
    (29) Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

    I keep forgetting which books are considered applicable to one gospel and which are considered irrelevant. Did I guess correctly? Hebrews for the Hebrews? Gospels for the Jews? Corinthians to the Gentiles?
    You'll find the Gospel of the grace of God within Romans through Philemon. You should acquaint yourself with these books. Have you ever read the Bible, cover to cover? If not, I suggest you start. We're living in the 'Dispensation of Grace.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    You have yet to explain why there is a Gospel to the Jews and Gospel to the Gentiles and the difference between the two. Just so you know the difference is that under the gospel to the circumcision being saved involves repentance and baptism (Acts 2:38) . Under the Gospel to the uncircumcision being saved involves the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) .
    Yes, Sir. Amen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
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    Paul and Barnabas went to Jerusalem to be tested by Peter and the other apostles on the gospel they were teaching. Peter and the other apostles found no difference.

    [Act 15:2-4, 6-9
    [2] Therefore, when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain others of them should go up to Jerusalem, to the apostles and elders, about this question.
    [3] So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, describing the conversion of the Gentiles; and they caused great joy to all the brethren.
    [4] And when they had come to Jerusalem, they were received by the church and the apostles and the elders; and they reported all things that God had done with them. ...
    [6] Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter.
    [7] And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up [and] said to them: "Men [and] brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.
    [8] "So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as [He did] to us,
    [9] "and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
    Poor Squeaky, he doesn't KNOW what he's talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    I don't see the word "saved" at Acts 2:38.

    Besides that, those who lived under the law were saved by grace through faith just like the Gentiles:

    "Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all" (Ro.4:16).
    You don't know how to 'Rightly Divide the Word.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
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    lolol What is wrong with you. Jesus created the gospel, its the gospel of Jesus Christ. It says peter preached the gospel, the apostles preached the gospel, Paul preached the gospel. They all preached the gospel of Jesus Christ. Jesus is the one that called all of them. With one gospel. The gospel of Jesus Christ.
    Jesus and His Disciples preached the Kingdom Gospel, whereas, Paul preached the 'Gospel of the grace of God.'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    So before you can present the gospel to someone, they must first learn "dispensational theology." At least the Calvinist is able to preach the gospel and salvation without requiring someone to first learn and accept Calvinism. Do you not feel any shame at your insincerity?

    1Pe 3:15 KJV
    (15) But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

    I'm pretty sure it is not written "be ready always to give an answer .. to those who have first gone and studied the mystery religion called Dispensational Theology."
    The problem is, Calvinists believe in Calvinism. If they're being asked (By an unbeliever) what does 'predestination and the Elect mean, don't you think the Calvinist will introduce them to their 'Calvinist false doctrine? If you believe, they won't, you're naive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    You do not understand the Gospel. For me to continue with you is pointless. Come back and talk to me when you have a grasp on dispensational theology. Study Galatians 2:7.
    I doubt he's interested in that. Good post, BR

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Perhaps he can tell that you aren't willing to hear.
    Rosenritter doesn't understand the 'Gospel of the grace of God,' perhaps? There were indeed, two Gospels. The Gospel of the grace of God is for today. The Kingdom Gospel was preached by Christ and His Disciples during His earthly ministry. I know I'm 'Speaking to the Choir,' Glorydaz. You know all of this already, but some here, do NOT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Perhaps he can tell that you aren't willing to hear.
    Yep. His ears are plugged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    The circumcision and uncircumcision are two different groups, Thus two different gospels
    And, that's the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    Are you a Jew or a Gentile? Jews repent and are baptized, Acts 2:38. Gentiles believe in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Pauls Gospel is the Gospel of grace given to the church as are his teachings in Romans through Philemon.
    Excellent, BR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    you don't count so good.
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    lolol One Jesus, one Spirit, one Gospel. If you would find the Holy Spirit you wouldnt have to rely on your theology. Guessing.

    [Mat 23:24-26
    [24] "Blind guides, who strain out a gnat and swallow a camel!
    [25] "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence.
    [26] "Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
    You'll find the Gospel of the grace of God within Romans through Philemon. You should acquaint yourself with these books. Have you ever read the Bible, cover to cover? If not, I suggest you start. We're living in the 'Dispensation of Grace.'
    I said
    lol Do you even know what dispensation means?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
    Poor Squeaky, he doesn't KNOW what he's talking about.
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    lolol Thats it just your own opinion. No scripture, no verses, no spiritual support from the Holy Spirit. You rely on your own opinion when God says not to.

    [Rom 12:16
    [16] Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
    You don't know how to 'Rightly Divide the Word.'
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    lol Do you know what your own opinion is worth?

    [Rom 12:16
    [16] Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.

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