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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Peter is telling them to repent of a SPECIFIC THING, as I showed in an earlier post.

    Poor Jerry just wants to argue about everything. Welcome back to my ignore list.
    Regardless if you disdain Jerry, he is quoting the scripture. You aren't responding to the scripture, which says "Repentance for the forgiveness of sins" (plural) not "for the forgiveness of that one sin."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    And there is no need to repent of other sins?
    Once again a DISTRACTION from the topic at hand, which is a SINGLE instance being addressed... and not a general "What is every kind of repentance?"

    Your illogical adventures into generalization are irrelevant to the specific passage in view.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    If their sin was the rejection of God and Christ, then perhaps they also should repent of other sins of which they are convicted by God and Christ?
    Once AGAIN.... perhaps you cannot stick a single topic long enough to actually discuss it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    One cannot sincerely repent of one specific sin without also having the heart to repent of all sin.
    Once AGAIN.... over-generalization is the tactic to distract from discussion of the topic at hand.

    Perhaps you should repent of your continued attempts to go off on an illogical and irrelevant tangent.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    Do you really believe that one can be effectively "baptized into Christ Jesus" while with a mind and heart that refuses to repent?
    Please demonstrate where the twelve were "effectively baptized into Christ Jesus".

    Your confusion over the various baptisms in the Bible is similarly as bad as your lack of understanding of the various repentance's.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
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    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    Regardless if you disdain Jerry, he is quoting the scripture.
    Jehovah's Witnesses quote scripture. So what?

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    You aren't responding to the scripture, which says "Repentance for the forgiveness of sins" (plural) not "for the forgiveness of that one sin."
    I never said any such thing, you false accuser.
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    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    Acts 3:19 KJV
    (19) Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

    My my, who would ever suspect that one should repent for their sins?
    My my, do you ever try to read what is written without inserting your own personal bias into the verse?

    Did you ever consider it's the "convert" part that causes their sins to be blotted out?

    Did you ever consider that "repent" is referring to their change of mind concerning their Messiah (whom they had crucified)? Being sorry for your sins will not cause them to be blotted out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Peter is telling them to repent of a SPECIFIC THING, as I showed in an earlier post.

    Poor Jerry just wants to argue about everything. Welcome back to my ignore list.
    Exactly, the specific rejection of their Messiah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Before anyone could be baptized with water he had to believe, as witnessed by the following exchange between Philip and the eunuch:

    "And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God" (Acts 8:36-37).
    The baptism of repentance was a rite, Jerry, to show the one baptised believed Jesus Christ was the Messiah, the Son of God.

    Before the eunuch was baptized with water he was already "born of God" because he believed that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God:

    "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God..For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?"
    (1 Jn.5:1,4-5).
    Yep, that's what the baptism of repentance was for. Going under the water was a sign they accepted Jesus as their Messiah, the Christ.

    There can be no doubt that the eunuch received eternal life and was "born of God" as a result of his faith before he submitted to the "baptism of repentance." That baptism was in regard to changing one's way of living for the better.

    So the "baptism of repentance" had nothing to do with believing the gospel because a person had already believed and was saved prior to that baptism.
    No, the baptism didn't change a person at all. The only thing that changes a person's way of living is believing in the Lord Jesus Christ...that change of mind which filled the Eunuch with joy.

    Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

    The baptism of repentance was for the Jews and those who aligned themselves with them.

    Acts 8:27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, 28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    And there is no need to repent of other sins? If their sin was the rejection of God and Christ, then perhaps they also should repent of other sins of which they are convicted by God and Christ? One cannot sincerely repent of one specific sin without also having the heart to repent of all sin.
    You are certainly hung up on sin. This is why the Jews were told to repent.

    John 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

    The baptism of repentance had nothing to do with transgression of the law, but with rejecting the Lord as Messiah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    The baptism of repentance was a rite, Jerry, to show the one baptised believed Jesus Christ was the Messiah, the Son of God.
    The baptism of repentance was in regard to the Jews having a change of mind in regard to their sinful life style in order "make ready a people prepared for the Lord" so that they "might serve Him...in holiness and righteousness" (Lk.1:17,74-75).

    Ananias said the following to Paul after he was converted:

    "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord" (Acts 22:16).

    In his commentary on this verse Sir Robert Anderson writes, "The Apostle records the words which Ananias addressed to him (Paul) at his conversion: 'Arise and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord'...His meaning is clear: 'Arise and be baptized, and turn away from your evil courses, calling on His name'" (Anderson, The Bible or the Church? [London: Pickering & Inglis, Second Edition], 230-231).

    That is the meaning of the words "ye washed yourselves" and "cleanse ourselves" in the following verses:

    "And such were some of you: but ye washed yourselves, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God " (1 Cor.6:11; RV, Marginal Note).

    "Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God "
    (2 Cor.7:1).

    When anyone submitted to the rite of water baptism he was pledging to change his life for the better. That is why John the Baptist said the following to the Pharisees and Sadducees:

    "O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? Bring forth therefore fruits befitting repentance"
    (Mt.3:7-8).

    John the Baptist was telling them that since they were pledging to change their way of living then they should exhibit a real change in their lives. Here the Greek word translated "repentance" means "the change of mind of those who have begun to abhor their errors and misdeeds, and have determined to enter upon a better course of life, so that it embraces both a recognition of sin and sorrow for it and hearty amendment, the tokens and effects which are good deeds...Mt. iii. 8" (Thayer's Greek English Lexicon).

    Therefore we can understand that those who were baptized with water were to have a change of mind in regard to their sinful lifestyle and were pledging to change their life so that they could serve the Lord in holiness and righteousness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Peter is telling them to repent of a SPECIFIC THING, as I showed in an earlier post.

    Poor Jerry just wants to argue about everything. Welcome back to my ignore list.
    You are so uninformed that you say that when Peter told the Jews to "repent and be baptized" that wasn't a baptism of repentance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    The baptism of repentance was in regard to the Jews having a change of mind in regard to their sinful life style in order "make ready a people prepared for the Lord" so that they "might serve Him...in holiness and righteousness" (Lk.1:17,74-75).
    Why would you say that having a heart prepared for the Lord could be accomplished by their own efforts? Has righteousness ever come through the law or man's efforts to keep it?

    Ananias said the following to Paul after he was converted:

    "And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord" (Acts 22:16).
    Ananias was a Jew who wanted to show Paul was not an idolater as was being claimed. He, of course, followed what the law would require. Ezekiel 36:25 Cleansing him had nothing to do with his future course of behaviour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    You are so uninformed that you say that when Peter told the Jews to "repent and be baptized" that wasn't a baptism of repentance.
    Jerry, you keep missing the point.

    Rosen thinks repentance is from sins. You think repentance is for living a holy life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    My my, do you ever try to read what is written without inserting your own personal bias into the verse?

    Did you ever consider it's the "convert" part that causes their sins to be blotted out?

    Did you ever consider that "repent" is referring to their change of mind concerning their Messiah (whom they had crucified)? Being sorry for your sins will not cause them to be blotted out.
    So humanity's universal need to repent of sin is "my own personal bias?" Regardless, true repentance requires a change of heart, bringing about a change in the individual (Luke 3:8). A mere "change of mind" or "being sorry" that you speak of isn't the repentance unto salvation that Paul speaks of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Jerry, you keep missing the point.
    Rosen thinks repentance is from sins. You think repentance is for living a holy life.
    Acts 2:38 KJV
    (38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    Acts 3:19 KJV
    (19) Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

    Matthew 9:13 KJV
    (13) But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

    Mark 1:4 KJV
    (4) John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

    Luke 15:7 KJV
    (7) I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

    Luke 15:10 KJV
    (10) Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

    Acts 5:31 KJV
    (31) Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

    2 Corinthians 12:21 KJV
    (21) And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.

    Whomever would think that one must have repentance from sin? I cannot imagine why anyone would think that was biblical...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    So humanity's universal need to repent of sin is "my own personal bias?"
    Humanity's universal need is to repent of sin? What world do you live in?

    No, humanity's universal need is to believe in God. To trust in Him.

    Regardless, true repentance requires a change of heart, bringing about a change in the individual (Luke 3:8). A mere "change of mind" or "being sorry" that you speak of isn't the repentance unto salvation that Paul speaks of.
    Only because you say so.

    You're the one who tries to claim it's being sorry for sins....I certainly don't say that. I'm not sure why you keep falsely accusing me of things YOU do.


    Perhaps you don't understand what that change of mind entails.

    It's a change of mind from unbelief to belief.

    When that happens it is repentance towards God...NOT from sin. Sin is left behind and forgotten by God. Why do you insist on looking back like Lot's wife did?

    Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

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