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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post

    1929: Carl Newton Mahan, murderer at six

    Carl and Cecil were looking for pieces of scrap iron to sell and make some money.

    Carl found one but Cecil snatched it from him and then hit him. Carl then run home, got on top of a chair, took the gun that his father held above the door and went back to Cecil.

    When he saw his friend he yelled, “Now I’m going to shoot you!” Then he pressed the trigger. Cecil died and Carl became one of the youngest killers in history.


    2000: Boy, 6, Accused in Classmate's Killing

    A 6-year-old boy sneaked a loaded handgun into a crowded elementary school here today and shot a classmate to death early this morning in front of a large group of first-grade students, said police officials here.

    The police said that they did not know the motive for shooting but that they recovered a stolen .32-caliber semiautomatic handgun at the scene and took the boy into protective custody.

    Did you have a point to make? Otherwise, would you be one who was willing to kill a six year old child if you advocate the DP for children?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    Committing a capitol crime requires intent.
    No, it doesn't.
    Committing a capital crime requires committing an act that is a capital offense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Whether I'm prepared to do so has nothing to do with it.
    You wouldn't do it, but you would expect someone else to kill a 6 year old. Is that right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by marhig View Post
    You wouldn't do it, but you would expect someone else to kill a 6 year old. Is that right?
    Incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    And not to eat shellfish.
    Please post the Bible verses that state that someone that eats shellfish is to be put to death.
    Failure to do so will prove that your shellfish argument is a strawman argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Jesus said "go and sin no more" because "by two or three witnesses a matter shall be established, and since there were no witnesses remaining to accuse the woman, she would have been found innocent according to the law.
    Marhig, they make Jesus into a trial lawyer getting someone off on the letter of the law while rejecting in that the spirit and point of it.

    They never called witnesses. In that same thread you'll find my setting out the approach to witnesses actually called by Jewish law. None of it happened. In fact, forget two or more required for the DP imposition, he gives any one of them license to take a stone and kill the woman provided that person was without sin. That is to say, he robbed them of even the pretense of moral authority. He changed something and I believe he did it intentionally, as a foreshadowing of the fulfillment of the law. The woman was guilty. Jesus, being God, could have served the law by instructing the trap layers in it. He didn't.

    Don't believe anyone who says that Christ did something those same people would find reprehensible in a modern courtroom. And make no mistake, if a lawyer got a guilty man or woman off by noting, say, a problem with the chain of evidence that excluded clear and incontrovertible proof of guilt, they wouldn't be defending it...that's what follows if you agree with how they see Jesus in that moment, even if they don't or won't see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    You threw that rock in a glass house.
    What capital offense did the glass house commit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    No, it doesn't.
    Committing a capital crime requires committing an act that is a capital offense.
    Yo will never get me to agree with your statement. A crime requires intent. The bible says do not murder, it does not say do not kill. I hope you understand the difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    It doesn't amaze me that you would make such an accusation.

    Marhig, please provide scripture that shows the death penalty to be repealed that, when taken at face value, does not conflict with other scriptures taken at face value.



    I'm going to refer you to this post, where I would like you to read through GO's, Stripe's, and my arguments why Jesus saying that did not repeal the death penalty.
    https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url...0&share_type=t

    In a nutshell:

    Jesus said "go and sin no more" because "by two or three witnesses a matter shall be established, and since there were no witnesses remaining to accuse the woman, she would have been found innocent according to the law.
    So what about loving your enemy, doing good to those that hate you, blessing those who curse you and praying for those who dispitefully use you?

    Did Jesus want those who crucified him murdered? Or did he ask God to forgive them?

    Killing is of the world, and the world will punish as they see fit. But those of God follow Jesus and he didn't kill anyone, he was full of forgiveness and mercy.

    Although I do believe that anyone who commits premeditated murder should have a whole life sentence with no parole and no easy ride.

    We are to bring the new and living way of Christ Jesus, and leave judgement to God. He will deal with those who do evil.

    Romans 12

    Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Just a question, and I would like a sincere answer..

    Why do we consider it unacceptable for an individual to kill, while at the same time, view State killing as both appropriate and necessary?
    The Bible says that the state is responsible for executing the people that do evil.

    Romans 13:3-5
    3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
    4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
    5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.


    The purpose is to rid the community of evil.

    Deuteronomy 21:21
    21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.


    This purpose is two-fold:
    1. Make the community safer by removing the evil one that is causing harm.
    2. Stop the spread of evil ideas by a display of the consequences of doing evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marhig View Post
    And to even think of killing a child is sickening!!!
    To even think of killing any human is sickening.
    This is how it is supposed to be.

    A person that commits a capital offense is doing something that is even more sickening to God (an abomination), because God saw the effects of letting those people live.

    Genesis 6:5
    5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.


    God decided that the only way to deal with the spreading of wickedness was to kill everything that breathed on the earth with the flood.
    After the end of the flood, God instituted capital punishment to slow down the spread of evil.

    Genesis 9:5-6
    5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.
    6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marhig View Post
    So what about loving your enemy, doing good to those that hate you, blessing those who curse you and praying for those who dispitefully use you?
    Commands for when Christ would establish His Kingdom on Earth, none of which violate His laws for putting to death criminals.

    Did Jesus want those who crucified him murdered?
    Loaded question.

    Or did he ask God to forgive them?
    He asked His Father to forgive them for the sin they were committing unknowingly. ("for they know not what they do")

    Killing is of the world, and the works will punish as they see fit.
    Huh?



    But those of God follow Jesus and he didn't kill anyone, he was full of forgiveness and mercy.
    Paul disagrees.

    For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.For he is Godís minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; [U]for he is Godís minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. - Romans 13:3-4 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...4&version=NKJV

    Although I do believe that anyone who commits premeditated murder should have a whole life sentence with no parole and no easy ride.
    Which just gives him the opportunity to escape and kill again.

    Why not just put him to death and send him to the prison where no man can escape from, hell?

    We are to bring the new and living way of Christ Jesus, and leave judgement to God. He will deal with those who do evil.

    Romans 12

    Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men. If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men. Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
    For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.For he is Godís minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is Godís minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. - Romans 13:3-4 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...4&version=NKJV

    God gave to government the responsibility of punishing and even executing criminals for their crimes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
    When you compare stats between similar states and countries that have and don't have death penalties, the states with the death penalties almost always have higher murder rates.
    Keeping the death penalty sounds like a reasonable reaction to high murder rates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Commands for when Christ would establish His Kingdom on Earth, none of which violate His laws for putting to death criminals.



    Loaded question.



    He asked His Father to forgive them for the sin they were committing unknowingly. ("for they know not what they do")



    Huh?





    Paul disagrees.

    For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.For he is Godís minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; [COLOR=BLUE][U]for he is Godís minister[/BLUE], an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. - Romans 13:3-4 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...4&version=NKJV



    Which just gives him the opportunity to escape and kill again.

    Why not just put him to death and send him to the prison where no man can escape from, hell?



    For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.For he is Godís minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is Godís minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. - Romans 13:3-4 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...4&version=NKJV

    God gave to government the responsibility of punishing and even executing criminals for their crimes.
    In Romans13 3-4 Paul is referring to the word of God, not a literal sword and by those in government he doesn't mean those who govern the world but those who govern by the Spirit, Gods ministers, he's speaking of those who belong to God coming in the power of the Spirit to come against evil with the word of God, the sword of the Spirit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    To even think of killing any human is sickening.
    This is how it is supposed to be.

    A person that commits a capital offense is doing something that is even more sickening to God (an abomination), because God saw the effects of letting those people live.

    Genesis 6:5
    5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.


    God decided that the only way to deal with the spreading of wickedness was to kill everything that breathed on the earth with the flood.
    After the end of the flood, God instituted capital punishment to slow down the spread of evil.

    Genesis 9:5-6
    5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.
    6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
    If God takes a life then so be it, God created life and he can take it. But Jesus came in peace and love, not in killing and revenge. As those who belong to him have the heart the he has.

    We are to leave vengeance to God and bring Christ to others, not go around killing others.

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