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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    No. They're doing math with a bad calculator to begin with and I'm against the DP in general because we kill innocent people too often and there's no recourse for that.

    That said, I wouldn't put a murderer on the street again. I might have a different prison for people who demonstrate genuine reform and regret, especially those who made their choice as younger people. But once you demonstrate the inability to reign in that impulse at any point in your life I think you have your citizenship card revoked in terms of personal freedom.
    I think the "bad calculator" makes the point. A six year old doesn't have anything like the developed brain of an adult so how can it possibly be moral to judge one as such and wheel them off to the hangman/chair? It's just insidious.

    In regards to the DP, then agreed and pretty much with regards to the rest although it's veering away from the child aspect. Still love "Red's" cynical speech at the parole hearing in Shawshank where he fully expects to get turned down again and is just bluntly honest about how he'd like to talk some sense into his younger self...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
    I rather agree with the DP issue. As long as it is possible, no matter how unlikely, that an innocent could be executed before they can prove their innocence there is no preventative factor that the DP could provide that cannot be equally provided by life without parole. And given the costs necessary to provide a reasonable safeguard against executing innocents, it is cheaper too.
    Wait, which do you think is cheaper? Death penalty or "life without parole"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Wait, which do you think is cheaper? Death penalty or "life without parole"?
    When you provide reasonable safeguards to protect the innocent, history shows life without parole is considerably cheaper. In the state of Texas, for example, the cost of executing someone is three times the entire cost of keeping them in prison for life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    No. They're doing math with a bad calculator to begin with and I'm against the DP in general because we kill innocent people too often and there's no recourse for that.
    God said to execute capital criminals. We let too many guilty people go free, which has led to the crime epidemic.

    Capital criminals should be executed upon conviction regardless of their age. That way, people will learn that murder is bad and it won't happen.

    Or if it does, it will be shocking.

    That said, I wouldn't put a murderer on the street again. I might have a different prison for people who demonstrate genuine reform and regret, especially those who made their choice as younger people. But once you demonstrate the inability to reign in that impulse at any point in your life I think you have your citizenship card revoked in terms of personal freedom.
    That's because you hate justice and have no idea what the law is or what it's for.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
    When you provide reasonable safeguards to protect the innocent, history shows life without parole is considerably cheaper. In the state of Texas, for example, the cost of executing someone is three times the entire cost of keeping them in prison for life.


    How much does a rock cost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post

    It seems as though certain people think that children as young as six (and possibly younger) should face the same sentences as fully grown adults.

    How many others would echo the same?
    I agree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
    When you provide reasonable safeguards to protect the innocent, history shows life without parole is considerably cheaper. In the state of Texas, for example, the cost of executing someone is three times the entire cost of keeping them in prison for life.
    So... You're saying that two or three witnesses establishing guilt of a capital crime in a speedy trial where the convicted criminal is then stoned is more expensive than "life in prison without parole"?



    Seems like the only expense would be the effort it would take for the public to pick up some large enough stones and throw them, as opposed to all the millions of tax dollars required to keep a criminal alive for the rest of his life, and keep him comfortable, at that...

    In other words, if it costs more to put someone to death who is worthy of death than it does to keep them alive and comfortable for the rest of their life, however long that may be, then there's something wrong with the system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post


    How much does a rock cost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    So... You're saying that two or three witnesses establishing guilt of a capital crime in a speedy trial where the convicted criminal is then stoned is more expensive than "life in prison without parole"?



    Seems like the only expense would be the effort it would take for the public to pick up some large enough stones and throw them, as opposed to all the millions of tax dollars required to keep a criminal alive for the rest of his life, and keep him comfortable, at that...

    In other words, if it costs more to put someone to death who is worthy of death than it does to keep them alive and comfortable for the rest of their life, however long that may be, then there's something wrong with the system.
    They add up the costs of housing a murderer for years, lawyer fees for appeals and other things.

    Ie, they think their method of executing people is the one we would endorse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    They add up the costs of housing a murderer for years, lawyer fees for appeals and other things.

    Ie, they think their method of executing people is the one we would endorse.

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    Talk about a giant waste of money. I could use those tax dollars for better things!

    It's just like the large sums of money politicians use up just so they can get elected/re-elected every few years. That money could be better used elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    uh-oh Tard alert! Tard alert! looks like we better go to Tard-Con 1 on this one! not ridiculous retarded only if you're retarded what, you mean out of the hundreds and hundreds of people posting here every day? you think a six year old is a toddler?
    Let's be fair, anyone who thinks a baby could rightly be executed is either retarded or...



    No, I got nothing else. He's retarded.

    And this from the type who endorse baby-killing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    Given that "Jerry Shugart" is in the business of condemning those that engage in "smearing," what words of wisdom does he have predicament that Senator Ted Cruz's children are confronting - President Trump has accused their grandfather of being a conspirator in the assassination of President John F Kennedy? Given that we all know that "The Donald" would never lie, it does appear odd that someone accused of comspiring to assassinate the President is still allowed to roam freely!
    Why are we talking about Donaldtrump?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Why are we talking about Donaldtrump?
    Who?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Who?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post


    How much does a rock cost?
    How much does an innocent life cost?

    There has never been a legal system in Human history where innocents were not falsely convicted. If you think it is not possible to produce two witnesses to convict an innocent man and throw the first rock, you have never studied the hanging times of Jim Crow laws.

    I will happily support your idea of a legal system when you can demonstrate a 100% guarantee that the innocent will be protected.

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