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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    Psalms 82:1-8 KJV
    (1) A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
    (2) How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.
    (3) Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.
    (4) Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.
    (5) They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.
    (6) I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
    (7) But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
    (8) Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
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    Psalms 7:8-11 KJV
    (8) The LORD shall judge the people: judge me, O LORD, according to my righteousness, and according to mine integrity that is in me.
    (9) Oh let the wickedness of the wicked come to an end; but establish the just: for the righteous God trieth the hearts and reins.
    (10) My defence is of God, which saveth the upright in heart.
    (11) God judgeth the righteous, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

    Psalms 50:4-7 KJV
    (4) He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people.
    (5) Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.
    (6) And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.
    (7) Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God.

    Psalms 75:7 KJV
    (7) But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another.

    Who is the "God" that judges in the contexts of the Psalms? Does it indicate that this is the LORD God? Or some other lesser being?

    1. The LORD God
    2. Someone else who calls himself God

    Psalms 98:9 KJV
    (9) Before the LORD; for he cometh to judge the earth: with righteousness shall he judge the world, and the people with equity.

    The whole context of the passage of Psalm 82 indicates that it is properly translated, "God" judgeth among the "gods" and "Arise O God" in the full meaning of "God" as understood in English. The only reason you are demanding a special pleading in the 82nd Psalm is because Jesus applied it to himself, where He as God judges among the gods that shall die like men.

    If that gospel reference didn't exist, you wouldn't bat an eye at "God judgeth among the gods..." and you would never think to contest that "God" meant anything other than the LORD of Hosts.
    https://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/gree...ook=24&page=81

    Ψαλμὸς τῷ ᾿Ασάφ. - Ο ΘΕΟΣ ἔστη ἐν συναγωγῇ θεῶν, ἐν μέσῳ δὲ θεοὺς διακρινεῖ. 2 ἕως πότε κρίνετε ἀδικίαν καὶ πρόσωπα ἁμαρτωλῶν λαμβάνετε; (διάψαλμα). 3 κρίνατε ὀρφανῷ καὶ πτωχῷ, ταπεινὸν καὶ πένητα δικαιώσατε· 4 ἐξέλεσθε πένητα καὶ πτωχόν, ἐκ χειρὸς ἁμαρτωλοῦ ῥύσασθε αὐτόν. 5 οὐκ ἔγνωσαν οὐδὲ συνῆκαν, ἐν σκότει διαπορεύονται· σαλευθήσονται πάντα τὰ θεμέλια τῆς γῆς. 6 ἐγὼ εἶπα· θεοί ἐστε καὶ υἱοὶ ῾Υψίστου πάντες· 7 ὑμεῖς δὲ ὡς ἄνθρωποι ἀποθνήσκετε καὶ ὡς εἷς τῶν ἀρχόντων πίπτετε. 8 ἀνάστα, ὁ Θεός, κρίνων τὴν γῆν, ὅτι σὺ κατακληρονομήσεις ἐν πᾶσι τοῖς ἔθνεσι.

    I'm fairly certain that the yellow highlight is "THEOS" as in "GOD." Is anyone willing to suggest that the Septuagint translators were harboring some hidden "Trinitarian bias?" I hope this may squelch the argument that "God" (capital G, as in the LORD God) is an improper or biased translation of this Psalm.

    The translation of the Septuagint itself began in the 3rd century BCE and was completed by 132 BCE, initially in Alexandria, but in time elsewhere as well. The Septuagint is the basis for the Old Latin, Slavonic, Syriac, Old Armenian, Old Georgian and Coptic versions of the Christian Old Testament.

    Septuagint - Wikipedia

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint
    Last edited by Rosenritter; October 11th, 2018 at 08:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Well ... since Jesus is God, what's the problem?
    It's a good quote for proving Jesus referred to Himself as God, though, isn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    It's a good quote for proving Jesus referred to Himself as God, though, isn't it?
    Genesis 1:1 also works for proving Jesus was God. New Testament tells us Jesus was the Creator, Genesis 1:1 tells us the Creator was God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    Genesis 1:1 also works for proving Jesus was God. New Testament tells us Jesus was the Creator, Genesis 1:1 tells us the Creator was God.
    As does John 1:1-3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    He did make Himself equal to God because He told the Jews the following:

    "That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him"
    (Jn.5:23).
    It could not possibly be more clear, could it?
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    It could not possibly be more clear, could it?
    I suspect that is being read in the meaning of "in place of" similar to the role of an ambassador in place of a king, but that would break down at the point when it arrives to worship. We are to worship God in heaven, and the worship of a representative (like an angel) is always corrected with the command "do it not" and "worship only God."

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    Zechariah 12, Septuagint
    https://www.ellopos.net/elpenor/gree...ook=41&page=12

    10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and compassion: and they shall look upon me, because they have mocked [me], and they shall make lamentation for him, as for a beloved [friend], and they shall grieve intensely, as for a firstborn [son].

    10 καὶ ἐκχεῶ ἐπὶ τὸν οἶκον Δαυὶδ καὶ ἐπὶ τοὺς κατοικοῦντας ῾Ιερουσαλὴμ πνεῦμα χάριτος καὶ οἰκτιρμοῦ, καὶ ἐπιβλέψονται πρός με ἀνθ᾿ ὧν κατωρχήσαντο καὶ κόψονται ἐπ᾿ αὐτὸν κοπετόν, ὡς ἐπ᾿ ἀγαπητῷ, καὶ ὀδυνηθήσονται ὀδύνην ὡς ἐπὶ τῷ πρωτοτόκῳ.

    I am not proposing that this is a perfect or reliable translation ... for example, it is easy to see that John wasn't using this Septuagint when he quoted "They shall look upon me whom they have pierced" (the LXX above has no "pierced") ... I am only pointing to this to counter the previous remark that the translation of Zechariah 12:10 to refer to the LORD (me) was the peculiar device of "Trinitarian" bias.

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