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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    So please clear up the point of confusion if you are able. How does a person come to become "in Christ"?
    grafted in

    Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and became a sharer of the root and the fatness of the olive tree with them,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    It depends on the dispensation.
    So what did it take for the Jews like Andronicus and Junia (Ro.16:7) to be "in Christ"? Were they not saved by grace apart from works?:

    "Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all" (Ro.4:16).

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    grafted in

    Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and became a sharer of the root and the fatness of the olive tree with them,
    So just as a person is grafted "into Christ" that same person can be broken off from being in Christ?:

    Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and became a sharer of the root and the fatness of the olive tree with them,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    So just as a person is grafted "into Christ" that same person can be broken off from being in Christ?:

    Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and became a sharer of the root and the fatness of the olive tree with them,
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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    no
    So you quote your verse to prove that some were grafted into Christ but then you want us to ignore the part which demonstrate that some can be broken off of Christ:


    Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and became a sharer of the root and the fatness of the olive tree with them,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    So you quote your verse to prove that some were grafted into Christ but

    Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and became a sharer of the root and the fatness of the olive tree with them,
    yes

    then you want us to ignore the part which demonstrate that some can be broken off of Christ:
    the unbelieving branches were broken off , Rom 11:20

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    yes

    the unbelieving branches were broken off
    This is what the Lord Jesus said to people like Andronicus and Junia, who Paul said were "in Christ" before he was (Ro.16:7):

    "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out"
    (Jn.6:37).

    According to your ideas there were some who were "in Christ" but later because of unbelief they were cast out of Christ even though the Savior Himself said that those who come to Him will not be cast out!

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    According to your ideas there were some who were "in Christ" but later because of unbelief they were cast out of Christ even though the Savior Himself said that those who come to Him will not be cast out!
    no.

    different branches same root.
    Jesus Christ did not change , the dispensation did .


    Jesus and the fig tree . the fig tree was cut down

    Luk 13:7 And he said to the vinedresser, 'Look, for three years now I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and I find none. Cut it down. Why should it use up the ground?'
    Luk 13:8 And he answered him, 'Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and put on manure.
    Luk 13:9 Then if it should bear fruit next year, well and good; but if not, you can cut it down.'"

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    no.

    different branches same root.
    So some can be "in Christ" but later no longer be "in Christ"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    So some can be "in Christ" but later no longer be "in Christ"?

    no.


    Jesus and the fig tree . the fig tree was cut down

    Luk 13:7 And he said to the vinedresser, 'Look, for three years now I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and I find none. Cut it down. Why should it use up the ground?'
    Luk 13:8 And he answered him, 'Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and put on manure.
    Luk 13:9 Then if it should bear fruit next year, well and good; but if not, you can cut it down.'"

    Rom 11:20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by way 2 go View Post
    no.


    Jesus and the fig tree . the fig tree was cut down

    Luk 13:7 And he said to the vinedresser, 'Look, for three years now I have come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and I find none. Cut it down. Why should it use up the ground?'
    Luk 13:8 And he answered him, 'Sir, let it alone this year also, until I dig around it and put on manure.
    Luk 13:9 Then if it should bear fruit next year, well and good; but if not, you can cut it down.'"

    Rom 11:20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear.
    So being in the Olive Tree is not the same as being "in Christ"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    So being in the Olive Tree is not the same as being "in Christ"?
    No, it is not. The olive tree is about service to God.

    JS, are you unaware of God's two-fold plans for the heavens and the earth?
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    JS, are you unaware of God's two-fold plans for the heavens and the earth?
    When the Lord Jesus returns to reign in His earthly kingdom will those in the Body of Christ not be with Him since they are promised that from the point of time beginning at the rapture they will for ever be with Him?:

    "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord" (1 Thess.1:17).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    When the Lord Jesus returns to reign in His earthly kingdom will those in the Body of Christ not be with Him since they are promised that from the point of time beginning at the rapture they will for ever be with Him?:
    "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord" (1 Thess.1:17).
    The body of Christ will not be present on earth from the time of the catching away through the time of Jacob's trouble.

    Eventually all things be be brought together in Christ.That is in the future.

    Eph 1:10 KJV That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

    We are NOT in the dispensation of the fullness of times.
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    That explains why your an idiot.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Eventually all things be be brought together in Christ.That is in the future.
    So? Do you deny that those in the Body of Christ will be with the Lord Jesus when He returns to the earth to reign from the throne of David?

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