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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    So is that your argument for asserting that the "gospel of the kingdom" is the same gospel Peter spoke of in his first epistle here?:

    "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed...Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot" (1 Pet.2:24, 1:18-19).

    Surely you can do better than that! Next you will be telling us that even though Peter received the Holy Spirit he wasn't yet saved!
    Those that enter the kingdom also need the blood of the lamb. Try to blur the stuff all that you want.

    There you go AGAIN, conflating salvation and the POWER of the Holy Spirit received at Pentecost.
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    You preach against me for preaching obedience to Christ for salvation.
    Col 2:9 (AKJV/PCE)
    (2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    Those that enter the kingdom also need the blood of the lamb.
    Did you not read that Peter wrote that those who received his epistle were "redeemed by the blood of the Lamb"?

    He also told them that they were born again by the word of God (1 Pet.1:23-25) and it will only be those who are born again who can enter the kingdom (Jn.3:3-5).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Did you not read that Peter wrote that those who received his epistle were "redeemed by the blood of the Lamb"?
    That's EXACTLY what I was saying. And you complain of other being dense?

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    He also told them that they were born again by the word of God (1 Pet.1:23-25) and it will only be those who are born again who can enter the kingdom (Jn.3:3-5).
    Wonderful... two of the twelve apostles for the twelve tribes agree. What a miracle!
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    Father figure, Son figure, and Holy Spirit figure.
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    1Tim 4:10 (AKJV/PCE)
    (4:10) For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

    Something that was SPOKEN OF since the world began CANNOT be the SAME thing as something KEPT SECRET since the world began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Right Divider View Post
    That's EXACTLY what I was saying.
    No, as usual you just played like the verses which I quoted just don't exist.

    Or do you want to argue that Peter's following words are the "gospel of the kingdom"?

    "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed...Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot" (1 Pet.2:24, 1:18-19).

    You said that the Hebrew epistle contain doctrine which will be in force after those in the Body will be raptured and after that happens the "gospel of the kingdom" will be preached in the world. So if you are right then the gospel of which Peter spoke in those verses must be the "gospel of the kingdom."

    Your ignorance knows no bounds!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Plus the rest of the epistles!

    Those who received the Hebrew epistles were taught that they too will be raptured and that will only happen to the members of the Body of Christ.
    I don't believe so. The books of Hebrews through Revelation preach to the Jews, the Gospel of the Kingdom, not the Gospel of the Grace of God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    I don't believe so. The books of Hebrews through Revelation preach to the Jews, the Gospel of the Kingdom, not the Gospel of the Grace of God.
    Does the following gospel from the pen of Peter sound like the "gospel of the kingdom" or the gospel which Paul referred to as the "preaching of the Cross"?:

    "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed...Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot"
    (1 Pet.2:24, 1:18-19).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Does the following gospel from the pen of Peter sound like the "gospel of the kingdom" or the gospel which Paul referred to as the "preaching of the Cross"?:

    "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed...Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot"
    (1 Pet.2:24, 1:18-19).
    Does it speak about the requirement of believing in the death, burial and resurrection? The kingdom/Peters Plan of salvation is as follows;

    37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

    38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    Repentance and baptism

    The Gospel of Grace is;

    1 Corinthians 15:1-4 King James Version (KJV)
    15 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

    2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

    3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

    4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    Does it speak about the requirement of believing in the death, burial and resurrection?
    So are you arguing that the following words of Peter are speaking of the 'gospel of the kingdom"?:

    "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed...Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot"
    (1 Pet.2:24, 1:18-19).

    I don't know about you but I don't think those words have anything to do with the "gospel of the kingdom."

    Peter also said that being born again results from "believing" and nothing more:

    "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God...And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you" (1 Pet.1:23,25).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    So are you arguing that the following words of Peter are speaking of the 'gospel of the kingdom"?:

    "Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed...Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot"
    (1 Pet.2:24, 1:18-19).

    I don't know about you but I don't think those words have anything to do with the "gospel of the kingdom."

    Peter also said that being born again results from "believing" and nothing more:

    "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God...And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you" (1 Pet.1:23,25).
    believing but believing in what?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    believing but believing in what?
    The gospel which Peter spoke of here:

    "Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot"
    (1 Pet.2:24, 1:18-19).

    By the time when the Hebrew epistles were written Israel had been temporarily cast aside and Peter was given the same stewardship which Paul had, the stewardship to preach the gospel of grace. And here Peter speaks of the same stewardship:

    "Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, as faithful stewards of God’s grace in its various forms"
    (1 Pet.4:10).

    Paul makes it plain that the believing remnant out of Israel were made members of the Body of Christ:

    "But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us; Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby"
    (Eph.2:13-16).

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