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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    No, that is not when the present "dispensation" or "stewardship" began because that stewardship was given to Paul:

    "If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me toward you"
    (Eph. 3:2).
    God has always saved by grace. Dispensationalism is a new, US based, theory held by Arminians.
    God has always saved by grace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    God has always saved by grace. Dispensationalism is a new, US based, theory held by Arminians.
    God has always saved by grace.
    So no one has ever created their own eternal life or earned salvation by merely following a certain procedure or protocol; the salvation of men has always been an unmerited favor bestowed by God?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    God has always saved by grace. Dispensationalism is a new, US based, theory held by Arminians.
    God has always saved by grace.
    A simple compare and contrast:

    http://www.faithbibleonline.net/Misc...ne/DispCov.htm

    Understanding the dispensationalist:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
    A simple compare and contrast:

    http://www.faithbibleonline.net/Misc...ne/DispCov.htm

    Understanding the dispensationalist:

    https://frame-poythress.org/ebooks/u...nsationalists/

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    I was raised on Schaeffer's Theology. Dispensationalism was all I ever knew...until I actually started reading the Bible.
    The comparison chart is interesting. I would argue that the so-called "modified Calvinist" is just a muddled synergist who refuses logic. Arminians have their five points (Remonstrants) and Calvinists have the five point response. Anything in the middle is confused thinking. Most dispensationalists are in the middle and thus usually confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
    A simple compare and contrast:

    http://www.faithbibleonline.net/Misc...ne/DispCov.htm

    Understanding the dispensationalist:

    https://frame-poythress.org/ebooks/u...nsationalists/

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    Have you finished reading the contents of the second link yet? I just glanced at it and it seems promising.

    Numerous books have been written in an attempt to show that dispensationalism is either right or wrong. Those books have their place. The Bibliography has a sampling of them. In this book, however, I take a different approach , exploring ways that can be found to have profitable dialogue and to advance our understanding. I believe dialogue is possible in principle even between “hardline” representatives of dispensational theology and equally “hardline” representatives of its principal rival, covenantal theology. Until now, “hardline” representatives have been tempted to regard people in the opposite camp as unenlightened. The opposing views seem so absurd that it is easy to make fun of them or become angry and cease even to talk with people in the opposite camp. If you, dear reader, consider the opposite position absurd, let me assure you that people within that position consider your position equally absurd. In this book we attempt to shed light on this conflict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    God has always saved by grace. Dispensationalism is a new, US based, theory held by Arminians.
    God has always saved by grace.
    No one denied that. But you are ignorant of what dispensation or stewardship was given to Paul. Here are three quotes from the him where he speaks of a "dispensation" that has been committed or given to him:

    "If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me toward you"
    (Eph. 3:2).

    "Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God"
    (Col.1:25).

    "...a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me"
    (1 Cor.9:17).

    The "dispensation" which was committed to Paul is in regard to "God's grace", a "ministry", and a "gospel." Here Paul sums up his dispensational responsibility:

    "But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God" (Acts 20: 24).

    It was not until Acts 13:46-48 when the gospel of grace was first preached and it was preached to the Gentiles. So that is the dispensation of grace began.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    No one denied that. But you are ignorant of what dispensation or stewardship was given to Paul. Here are three quotes from the him where he speaks of a "dispensation" that has been committed or given to him:

    "If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me toward you"
    (Eph. 3:2).

    "Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God"
    (Col.1:25).

    "...a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me"
    (1 Cor.9:17).

    The "dispensation" which was committed to Paul is in regard to "God's grace", a "ministry", and a "gospel." Here Paul sums up his dispensational responsibility:

    "But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God" (Acts 20: 24).

    It was not until Acts 13:46-48 when the gospel of grace was first preached and it was preached to the Gentiles. So that is the dispensation of grace began.
    Jerry, your ignorance of God's grace does not surprise me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    The comparison chart is interesting. I would argue that the so-called "modified Calvinist" is just a muddled synergist who refuses logic.
    This speaks to the likes of John MacArthur's "leaky dispensationalism," future for the nation of Israel, premill/pretrib.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    No one denied that. But you are ignorant of what dispensation or stewardship was given to Paul. Here are three quotes from the him where he speaks of a "dispensation" that has been committed or given to him:

    "If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me toward you"
    (Eph. 3:2).

    "Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God"
    (Col.1:25).

    "...a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me"
    (1 Cor.9:17).

    The "dispensation" which was committed to Paul is in regard to "God's grace", a "ministry", and a "gospel." Here Paul sums up his dispensational responsibility:

    "But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God" (Acts 20: 24).

    It was not until Acts 13:46-48 when the gospel of grace was first preached and it was preached to the Gentiles. So that is the dispensation of grace began.
    John 1:17 KJV
    (17) For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

    While Paul may have brought the gospel of grace to the Gentiles, I think it would be inaccurate to say that that same gospel of grace was not also preached through Jesus Christ. Grace is an undeserved favor.

    Luke 23:40-43 KJV
    (40) But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?
    (41) And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.
    (42) And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
    (43) And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

    They suffered justly on the cross, but the thief that looked to Jesus as he was lifted up was bestowed undeserved favor. That sounds like grace to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    Have you finished reading the contents of the second link yet? I just glanced at it and it seems promising.
    I have and it is.

    See also:
    https://frame-poythress.org/wp-conte...uide_color.pdf

    https://frame-poythress.org/ebooks/the-returning-king/

    In general:
    https://frame-poythress.org/ebooks/

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    Jerry, your ignorance of God's grace does not surprise me.
    You are a big talker but when it comes to proving it you offer nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    You are a big talker but when it comes to proving it you offer nothing.
    Jerry, I prefer not to toss you pearls.

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