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    maybe that's too much for one post

    let me simplify it



    At what age should a child know that it is wrong to kill?


    1. 18, because that's when they become an adult.
    2. Puberty, because that's when they become an adult
    3. (your answer here)




    if you choose 3, give a brief explanation for your answer

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    maybe when artie comes back from his vacation he can take a crack at it

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    Should people who have mental illness/retardation be tried as an adult?
    The so-called criminal justice systems — really, they are "just a system"s — have enough trouble convicting murderers and executing them swiftly and painfully — y'know, justice — let alone them being tasked with figuring out how retarded people are.

    Lawyers do enough of presenting their co-conspirators in perjury as insane. Unfortunately, that has seeped into mainstream rationale.
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    Oh, and: Arthur's Brain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    The so-called criminal justice systems — really, they are "just a system"s — have enough trouble convicting murderers and executing them swiftly and painfully — y'know, justice — let alone them being tasked with figuring out how retarded people are.
    Presented with a justice system that reduces prison terms, or does away with them entirely, for retarded people, is it any surprise that the number of "insane" murderers has risen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    For someone who is mentally ill ... for me, it depends on the person. Are they mentally insane to such an extent that they would continue to be a risk to all around them?
    If someone is mentally insane to such an extent that they would continue to be a risk to others, there should be no questioning that it would be moral to impose the death penalty on them for their actions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    a secure psychiatric ward would be better than killing someone.
    And that option is the stuff of nightmares:

    In the beginning of Halloween, a 6-year-old Michael murders his teenage sister Judith on Halloween, 1963. Fifteen years later, Michael escapes Smith's Grove Sanitarium

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    If someone is mentally insane to such an extent that they would continue to be a risk to others, there should be no questioning that it would be moral to impose the death penalty on them for their actions.
    If he's a murderer, he's proven himself to be a danger.

    Also, executing him would be justice. The degree of sanity simply does not apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    If he's a murderer, he's proven himself to be a danger.

    Also, executing him would be justice. The degree of sanity simply does not apply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    If he's a murderer, he's proven himself to be a danger.

    Also, executing him would be justice. The degree of sanity simply does not apply.

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    If someone is incapable of understanding their actions then they aren't a murderer by definition. See "Of Mice & Men" by way of example. Lennie's character isn't a murderer as he doesn't mean to kill. Executing him as one wouldn't serve "justice" in any form.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    And that option is the stuff of nightmares:

    In the beginning of Halloween, a 6-year-old Michael murders his teenage sister Judith on Halloween, 1963. Fifteen years later, Michael escapes Smith's Grove Sanitarium

    Do you think the child should have been "executed" when he was six years old?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    If someone is incapable of understanding their actions then they aren't a murderer by definition.
    if they try to hide their actions, then they understand them

    See "Of Mice & Men" by way of example. Lennie's character knew what he had done and sought to evade responsibility for his actions

    he understood what he had done



    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Do you think the child should have been "executed" when he was six years old?
    six, ten, fourteen, eighteen

    at what age should a child be held responsible for their actions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Do you think the child should have been "executed" when he was six years old?
    Why are we judging real life by a sensationalist Hollywood slasher movie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
    Why are we judging real life by a sensationalist Hollywood slasher movie?
    Fair point. It was a ridiculous comparison to start with but for the sake of argument should a six year old be executed if they kill someone? That's what some around here seem to be implying...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Fair point. It was a ridiculous comparison to start with but for the sake of argument should a six year old be executed if they kill someone? That's what some around here seem to be implying...
    Why would a six-year-old be killing people? That's what I wanna know...

    Wouldn't his parents be around to teach him that it's wrong to hurt people?

    Oh wait, I forgot. Leftists would rather have parents put their kids in schools where quizzes are given that have "no right or wrong answers," yet have questions like "if you could kill anyone and get away with it..."...

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