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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    'Twas me. I have tolerated vast stupidity to stubborn misunderstanding, but false accusations is the spirit of the adversary, the devil. Greg wasn't willing to reconsider his words on evidence, so it seems he ran here to try to spread his tales.

    Rev 12:10 KJV
    (10) And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
    "On the downside, King James was a raving homosexual. Sir Walter Raleigh joked about it, saying “King Elizabeth” had been succeeded by “Queen James.”

    "His favorite lover was the Duke of Buckingham. Anyone who doubts this needs to read “King James and Letters of Homoerotic Desire” by David Bergeron. James’ tomb lies beside that of Buckingham in Westminster Abbey."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
    Do you have firsthand information backing up your accusation? What's the point you're trying to make?
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    THE ORIGINS OF THE ATTACK ON KING JAMES

    There is no record of anyone accusing King James of homosexual behavior during his lifetime. If you read most modern historians, you would believe that King James's homosexuality was open and widely recognized but this is far from the truth. There are absolutely no contemporary accounts alleging homosexuality on King James's part though there are contemporary accounts praising him for his moral virtue.

    Sir Anthony Welden was an officer in the royal household of King James. He was knighted by King James in 1617. He was eventually dismissed from the royal court by King James. He vowed to get revenge!

    He supported the anti-monarchy forces during the English Civil War. Twenty-five years after the death of King James, (one year after the execution of Charles I, King James's son) Welden made the first accusations of homosexuality against King James. His statements were widely rejected at the time because there were still too many living people who had known King James personally and who dismissed the allegations as ridiculous.

    Disgruntled courtiers and political opponents picked up the allegations against King James and began to use innuendo to hurt his reputation. While not accusing him directly of homosexuality, they tried to create questions about his loyalties to his close friends and associates. These seventeenth century critics seem to fall into two groups. Some had their political and personal ambitions thwarted by King James. Others opposed his policy of uniting Scotland and England into one kingdom. All of these allegations come from people with a strong bias against James and they all were made a long time after his death.

    Some historians began to repeat these attacks against King James without investigation. Soon vague allegations, rumor, innuendo and speculations were reported as historical fact. While some historians have sifted through the rumors to get the facts, many just repeated the statements of previous historians without any examination.


    In the eighteenth century the primary reporters of King James's homosexuality, were those who opposed the union of Great Britain and also Roman Catholics who resented the support that James gave Protestants. In the twentieth century two different groups have clung to the allegations about King James and propagated them in defiance of the facts.

    Homosexual activists have been determined to claim King James as one of their own. These are the same activists who claim that Abraham Lincoln, William Shakespeare, the Biblical King David and Jonathan and even Jesus Christ were really homosexuals. Historical facts means nothing to these people. They care only about their political and social agenda. It is a travesty when evangelicals quote their books as credible sources. The second group which refuses to be persuaded by the facts about King James are those who wish to use King James's supposed homosexuality to discredit the King James Bible.

    In 1985, Moody Monthly magazine alerted the evangelical world to the allegations that King James was a homosexual. These charges came in an article entitled The Real King James by Karen Ann Wojahn. No evidence was provided. The article was accompanied by The Bible That Bears His Name by Leslie Keylock, This article was an attack on the King James Bible. Numerous attempts have been made to get Moody Monthly to either document or withdraw the charges made in these articles but fourteen years later neither has been done.

    Despite the lack of evidence (and in spite of the evidence to the contrary) some evangelicals are quick to use the baseless accusations against King James to bolster their attacks on the King James Bible. But facts are contrary things! King James never claimed to be a homosexual. He was never accused of being one during his life time. No one ever claimed to see James in a homosexual situation. The accusations against him, past and present, stem from bias and not from fact. The character and record of King James clearly refutes the charges of homosexuality against King James.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    [B]Despite the lack of evidence (and in spite of the evidence to the contrary
    I wonder if your source has read this:

    "On the downside, King James was a raving homosexual. Sir Walter Raleigh joked about it, saying “King Elizabeth” had been succeeded by “Queen James.”

    "His favorite lover was the Duke of Buckingham. Anyone who doubts this needs to read “King James and Letters of Homoerotic Desire” by David Bergeron. James’ tomb lies beside that of Buckingham in Westminster Abbey."

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregoryN View Post
    I wonder if your source has read this:

    "On the downside, King James was a raving homosexual. Sir Walter Raleigh joked about it, saying “King Elizabeth” had been succeeded by “Queen James.”

    "His favorite lover was the Duke of Buckingham. Anyone who doubts this needs to read “King James and Letters of Homoerotic Desire” by David Bergeron. James’ tomb lies beside that of Buckingham in Westminster Abbey."
    Why be ignorant when you could be informed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Affleck View Post
    Why be ignorant when you could be informed?

    https://www.scionofzion.com/kj_real_story.html
    Are you ignorant of this:

    "On the downside, King James was a raving homosexual. Sir Walter Raleigh joked about it, saying “King Elizabeth” had been succeeded by “Queen James.”

    "His favorite lover was the Duke of Buckingham. Anyone who doubts this needs to read “King James and Letters of Homoerotic Desire” by David Bergeron. James’ tomb lies beside that of Buckingham in Westminster Abbey."

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregoryN View Post
    Are you ignorant of this:

    "On the downside, King James was a raving homosexual. Sir Walter Raleigh joked about it, saying “King Elizabeth” had been succeeded by “Queen James.”

    "His favorite lover was the Duke of Buckingham. Anyone who doubts this needs to read “King James and Letters of Homoerotic Desire” by David Bergeron. James’ tomb lies beside that of Buckingham in Westminster Abbey."
    I think it is more likely that GregoryN is a homosexual. Unlike King James, Greg doesn't have a lifetime of established character witnesses, and we know how the homosexual movement is always trying to claim King James, David, Jonathan, John, and Jesus for their side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    I think it is more likely that GregoryN is a homosexual. Unlike King James, Greg doesn't have a lifetime of established character witnesses, and we know how the homosexual movement is always trying to claim King James, David, Jonathan, John, and Jesus for their side.
    Are you also ignorant of this book:

    "His favorite lover was the Duke of Buckingham. Anyone who doubts this needs to read “King James and Letters of Homoerotic Desire” by David Bergeron. James’ tomb lies beside that of Buckingham in Westminster Abbey."

    With the words of King James himself. He's the best "character witness", don't you think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregoryN View Post
    Are you also ignorant of this book:

    "His favorite lover was the Duke of Buckingham. Anyone who doubts this needs to read “King James and Letters of Homoerotic Desire” by David Bergeron. James’ tomb lies beside that of Buckingham in Westminster Abbey."

    With the words of King James himself. He's the best "character witness", don't you think.
    We don't care about your fabricated lies. I'm sure you're just trying to increase the perceived numbers for the Rainbow Flag so that you can justify your own sinful behavior. A century after you are dead I am sure we will see your words also written in someone's book "I GregoryN the Universalist am a raving homosexual."

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    I’m curious as the what kind of homosexual a ‘raving’ one is. The opposite of so many closeted homosexuals who hide within the bosom of Mother Church?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosenritter View Post
    We don't care about your fabricated lies. I'm sure you're just trying to increase the perceived numbers for the Rainbow Flag so that you can justify your own sinful behavior. A century after you are dead I am sure we will see your words also written in someone's book "I GregoryN the Universalist am a raving homosexual."
    Are you more sure of those things or that KJ of your KJV Bible wasn't a homo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregoryN View Post
    Are you ignorant of this:

    "On the downside, King James was a raving homosexual. Sir Walter Raleigh joked about it, saying “King Elizabeth” had been succeeded by “Queen James.”
    Do you always get your history from the jokes of criminals?

    Quote Originally Posted by GregoryN View Post
    "His favorite lover was the Duke of Buckingham. Anyone who doubts this needs to read “King James and Letters of Homoerotic Desire” by David Bergeron. James’ tomb lies beside that of Buckingham in Westminster Abbey."
    Fake news.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayn Marx View Post
    I’m curious as the what kind of homosexual a ‘raving’ one is. The opposite of so many closeted homosexuals who hide within the bosom of Mother Church?
    The point is that he has no care as to the validity of his claim, he thinks that merely bringing unfounded accusations against all evidence is enough. Besides, Gregory does rave, you can see that in this thread and others, even especially his home base of the Universalism thread.

    Ayn, please use "Reply with Quote" when responding.
    Last edited by Rosenritter; September 14th, 2018 at 10:31 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Affleck View Post
    Do you always get your history from the jokes of criminals?


    Sir Walter Raleigh (/ˈrɔːli/, /ˈræli/, or /ˈrɑːli/;[2] circa 1554 – 29 October 1618) was an English landed gentleman, writer, poet, soldier, politician, courtier, spy and explorer. He was cousin to Sir Richard Grenville and younger half-brother of Sir Humphrey Gilbert. He is also well known for popularising tobacco in England.

    Raleigh was born to a Protestant family in Devon, the son of Walter Raleigh and Catherine Champernowne. Little is known of his early life, though he spent some time in Ireland, in Killua Castle, Clonmellon, County Westmeath, taking part in the suppression of rebellions and participating in the Siege of Smerwick. Later, he became a landlord of property confiscated from the native Irish. He rose rapidly in the favour of Queen Elizabeth I and was knighted in 1585. Raleigh was instrumental in the English colonisation of North America and was granted a royal patent to explore Virginia, paving the way for future English settlements. In 1591, he secretly married Elizabeth Throckmorton, one of the Queen's ladies-in-waiting, without the Queen's permission, for which he and his wife were sent to the Tower of London. After his release, they retired to his estate at Sherborne, Dorset.

    In 1594, Raleigh heard of a "City of Gold" in South America and sailed to find it, publishing an exaggerated account of his experiences in a book that contributed to the legend of "El Dorado". After Queen Elizabeth died in 1603, Raleigh was again imprisoned in the Tower, this time for being involved in the Main Plot against King James I, who was not favourably disposed towards him. In 1616, he was released to lead a second expedition in search of El Dorado. During the expedition, men led by his top commander ransacked a Spanish outpost, in violation of both the terms of his pardon and the 1604 peace treaty with Spain. Raleigh returned to England and, to appease the Spanish, he was arrested and executed in 1618.

    Raleigh was one of the most notable figures of the Elizabethan era. In 2002, he was featured in the BBC poll of the 100 Greatest Britons.[3]
    Sir Walter Raleigh, executed for violating his pardon with murder and treason after already having been given a royal pardon for sedition and treason the first time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Affleck View Post
    Do you always get your history from the jokes of criminals?
    Are not all men sinners, enemies of God? Should i, then, throw out all history books?

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    Fake news.
    Prove it.

    "His favorite lover was the Duke of Buckingham. Anyone who doubts this needs to read “King James and Letters of Homoerotic Desire” by David Bergeron. James’ tomb lies beside that of Buckingham in Westminster Abbey."

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