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Thread: What the McCain Eulogies Tell Us About the Media and the Regime

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinark View Post
    Firmly anti-Trump and the stranglehold his politics has on the Republician party. I'd vote for some Republicians (the ones who lean economically conservative and socially liberal) but not if they fully support Trump's agenda and are unwilling to fight against bad policies regardless if whether they come from the Dems or the President.

    fair enough, and I have to run, but wanted to ask...


    what "socially liberal" policies/legislation do you support?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    fair enough, and I have to run, but wanted to ask...


    what "socially liberal" policies/legislation do you support?
    I'm best described as a neoliberal.

    Here is a decent article discussing and supporting neoliberalism:
    https://medium.com/@marcdloeb/neolib...y-9a9bd91eda4c

    Socially liberal policies I support are the usual ones:

    -Gay marriage and no government interference in any arrangements/relationships consenting adults want to have with each other

    -Marijuana legalization (and other drug decriminalization, similar to Portugal)

    -Legal prostitution (with licensing to certify age and consent, I would keep paying for an unlicensed prostitute illegal)

    -Pro-choice

    -Comprehensive sex education starting around the age of 10

    -Allow people to take experimental medical pharmaceuticals even if not approved by the FDA (as long as they give informed consent)

    The principle is generally no government interference in social affairs unless someone is making someone else an unwilling victim and/or someone is violating someone else's rights.

    If you are interested in discussing any of this further we should start a new thread so as to not derail this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinark View Post
    You suggest that those who may want to put country first over party should leave the party. Not a bad idea. Hopefully that will fracture the Republicians further.
    It's happening to some degree. However, I think that eventually the GOP will pull itself together, toss out the white supremacists, KKK, and Nazis, and move back to something most Americans can support.

    It's either that, or we get a new party on the right that excludes those people. I think the former will be the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    It's happening to some degree. However, I think that eventually the GOP will pull itself together, toss out the white supremacists, KKK, and Nazis, and move back to something most Americans can support.

    It's either that, or we get a new party on the right that excludes those people. I think the former will be the case.
    I think the only way this will happen is to have the Dems take control of the House and hopefully the Senate. That would mean a whole lot of investigations that the GOP could no longer obstruct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    I think the only way this will happen is to have the Dems take control of the House and hopefully the Senate. That would mean a whole lot of investigations that the GOP could no longer obstruct.
    If the dems take back either house, look for a lot more oversight, and more embarrassing revelations. If the House goes democrat, I imagine Devin Nunes will be up late with the shredder.
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    Fox News has disabled comments on YouTube videos about the death of John McCain following an outpouring of nastiness on the network's own website from its commenters.

    "Comments are disabled for this video,” the space under the videos reads on YouTube videos about McCain from the network. A cursory review of the Fox News YouTube channel demonstrates that this policy appears to apply to all stories about McCain released following his death.

    The comments at Fox News' website were appalling in their viciousness.
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    “I’m sorry, but I can’t celebrate the life of a man who has done so much evil,” one commenter on the Fox News site wrote. “He is burning in Hell right now, and receiving the due payment for his evil deeds.”

    A common response was "good riddance."

    McCain died on Saturday night at age 81 following a battle with an aggressive form of brain cancer.

    https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-po...its-supporters

    Who didn't see that coming?
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans only as members of groups and never as individuals.
    A lot of individuals were berated, beaten, hung from trees, denied the vote, told where they couldn't live, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    A lot of individuals were berated, beaten, hung from trees, denied the vote, told where they couldn't live, etc.
    True....so.....?
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    you're conveniently ignoring the fact that Carol Shepp was recently divorced from Alasdair E. Swanson when she started dating John McCain in 1964
    He cheated on her. Should she have stayed with him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    True....so.....?
    I'm not sure collectivism is the right approach, critically. Maybe because I tend to think of it as I've been exposed to it, as more of a political and economic theory. How do you apply it to the sociological? I mean you, particularly, not how it can be by someone else. Not poking at you, just not sure of the approach. Tell me more about it in this particular. I'm interested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    He cheated on her.
    She claimed he cheated on her and he didn't contest it - it was a common way to get a divorce back when they weren't all that easy to get, back before no-fault divorce became common

    i remember as a kid hearing adults talking about people going to Nevada to get a quickie divorce and thinking it was a joke i didn't understand


    my point was that she was not without sin herself

    Should she have stayed with him?
    with two young children at risk? I'll say yes, the best solution would have been for her father and her husband's father to beat the crap out of her wayward husband and remind him of his familial duties, set him back on the straight and narrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    my point was that she was not without sin herself
    Who is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    Who is?
    certainly not the particular poster who was trying to make the point that trump was worse than mccain was worse than clinton was worse than.....


    i lost track and dint really care

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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    A lot of individuals were berated, beaten, hung from trees, denied the vote, told where they couldn't live, etc.
    That's the point of collectivism. All the individuals in a group are given a certain status based on superficial cues. Thus, the outcome you point out here is consistent with what DB said.

    That's why Democrats/progressives/leftists are still more racist than Republicans/conservatives/rightists - as they've been since Andrew Jackson - because intersectionality is at the heart of racism and also Democrat political success. (Please note this is not an endorsement of Republicans, but merely evidence that Democrats have been and continue to be relatively more racist because leftists/liberals/progressives have been and continue to believe in intersectionality more than Republicans/rightists/conservatives).

    So, to bring this back to the OP. McCain was a supporter of intersectional policies and does not deserve praise from conservative/rightist people, while at the same time explains the great praise from Democrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yorzhik View Post
    That's the point of collectivism. All the individuals in a group are given a certain status based on superficial cues. Thus, the outcome you point out here is consistent with what DB said. That's why Democrats/progressives/leftists are still more racist than Republicans/conservatives/rightists
    Racists have always aligned more readily with the conservative protectors of tradition, regardless of the name you put to it. Once upon a time in the South that more aptly described the Democratic Party. As I've noted prior, that shifted to the Republican Party after LBJ's Great Society left much of the racist South feeling betrayed.

    Sounds more like the ethnocentric principle in application. Sometimes you get the Boy Scouts and sometimes you get the Brown Shirts.

    So, to bring this back to the OP. McCain was a supporter of intersectional policies and does not deserve praise from conservative/rightist people, while at the same time explains the great praise from Democrats.
    McCain is being lauded for a number of things and by members of both parties. As for the characters who attempt to hijack tributes to a fallen patriot, they do themselves no real favor in any sense of the word.
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