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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Adultery and abandoning your crippled wife for a rich beauty queen definitely is a "moral failure".
    Glad you agree. Would you agree that doing it three times would be more than a moral failure?

    There you go being judgmental on serial adulterers barbarian, after all, they're just "imperfect human beings".
    Yeah, any of us can fail. But some people made it a career.

    So the Arizona Republican Party reprimanded John McCain for being conservative?
    No, from the statement you presented, they reprimanded him for being an American. His willingness to compromise with other Americans seems to have infuriated them.

    So now, they're choosing a senator from a group including a convicted criminal, an bland establishment functionary, and a froot loop who announced that Senator McCain's death was really all about her:

    When Sen. John McCain’s family was getting ready to say their last goodbyes as they informed the world that the former prisoner of war was ending treatment for brain cancer, Arizona GOP Senate candidate Kelli Ward suggested the announcement was all about her. McCain died mere hours after she suggested the announcement was part of an effort to hurt her campaign. Ward, one of three candidates for the Republican Senate nomination in Tuesday’s Arizona primary to replace retiring Sen. Jeff Flake, wrote on Facebook that “I think they wanted to have a particular narrative that they hope is negative to me.”
    https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...ouncement.html

    Should be interesting to see which way that one goes. The thinking is that decent, patriotic people like McCain are out of touch with today's republican party.

    Maybe Arizona is about to prove you right.
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    As leaders in the Republican Party, we are obligated to fully support our Party, platform, and its candidates.
    In other words, party before country. This is not a good thing and is in fact contributing to the dysfunction in our politics. McCain was right to put country first.

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    Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    Adultery and abandoning your crippled wife for a rich beauty queen definitely is a "moral failure".

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Glad you agree. Would you agree that doing it three times would be more than a moral failure?
    I wasn't aware that there are tiers when it comes to sinful behaviors such as adultery. Going by that standard: If we were to talk about the numerous adulterous affairs of Bill Clinton and Donald "New York values" Trump, it could be argued that McCain leaving his crippled wife for a rich beauty queen is worse that the numerous affairs Clinton and his fellow liberal Donald Trump engaged in.

    How about we just say this instead:

    "Liberals will be liberals".

    Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
    So the Arizona Republican Party reprimanded John McCain for being conservative?

    No, from the statement you presented, they reprimanded him for being an American. His willingness to compromise with other Americans seems to have infuriated them.
    So that's what liberals are calling themselves these days: Flag waving-blue blooded "Americans"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinark View Post
    In other words, party before country. This is not a good thing and is in fact contributing to the dysfunction in our politics. McCain was right to put country first.


    compromising with people who are trying to ruin this country is not putting country first

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    compromising with people who are trying to ruin this country is not putting country first
    The quote literally says to fully support the party and all the candidates. This means even if they are the ones ruining the country. That isn't putting country first which is why I respect John McCain for not following such a stringent requirement to party loyalty. It said nothing about compromise. Not sure where you pulled that from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Adultery and abandoning your crippled wife for a rich beauty queen definitely is a "moral failure".
    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Glad you agree. Would you agree that doing it three times would be more than a moral failure?
    "more than a moral failure"?

    what did you have in mind?





    and who are you referring to that has abandoned their crippled wife for a rich beauty queen three times?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinark View Post
    The quote literally says to fully support the party and all the members and candidates. This means even if they are the ones ruining the country.
    ummm, no

    the ones ruining the country are the liberal democrats



    compromising with the liberal/democrats to help them achieve their agenda, to help them achieve their goal of ruining this country is not putting the country first

    if McCain disagreed with the conservative agenda, he should have disassociated himself from it

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    ummm, no

    the ones ruining the country are the liberal democrats



    compromising with the liberal/democrats to help them achieve their agenda, to help them achieve their goal of ruining this country is not putting the country first

    if McCain disagreed with the conservative agenda, he should have disassociated himself from it
    You veered off topic and failed to address the fact that the party loyalty requirement leaves no room to denounce the candidates and policies that who are ruining the country. "Fully support" are the exact words, no exceptions!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinark View Post
    ...the party loyalty requirement leaves no room to denounce other members who are ruining the country.
    nonsense - they can be reprimanded (as McCain was) or kicked out of the party

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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
    I wasn't aware that there are tiers when it comes to sinful behaviors such as adultery.[/quote]

    Betraying three wives, one after the other is worse than one adultery, yes. A sin is an affront to God. The more you do it, the worse it is.

    Going by that standard: If we were to talk about the numerous adulterous affairs of Bill Clinton and Donald "New York values" Trump, it could be argued that McCain leaving his crippled wife for a rich beauty queen is worse that the numerous affairs Clinton and his fellow liberal Donald Trump engaged in.
    Adultery is bad. Leaving one's wife is worse, of course. That's a double betrayal. So Trump goes to the bottom, Trump 2, McCain 1, Clinton 0. But on the other hand, Trump and Clinton were serial adulterers. So Trump and Clinton (lots and lots), McCain 1.

    Of course, Trump and McCain being conservatives, leaving wives is kind of a tradition for them. Would you like a list of prominent conservatives who've left their wives?

    How about we just say this instead:
    "Liberals cheat on their wives as much as conservatives do, but they don't abandon them as much."


    So the Arizona Republican Party reprimanded John McCain for being conservative?
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    No, from the statement you presented, they reprimanded him for being an American. His willingness to compromise with other Americans seems to have infuriated them.

    So that's what liberals are calling themselves these days
    That's what Americans are calling themselves these days.

    Flag waving-blue blooded "Americans"
    Used to be, conservatives were like that, too. Some, like McCain, held on longer. Now the face of American conservatism is changing:



    Citronella snowflakes. But I could be wrong. There may be a watershed coming, and a return to decency. We'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Betraying three wives, one after the other is worse than one adultery, yes. A sin is an affront to God. The more you do it, the worse it is.

    you're conveniently ignoring the fact that Carol Shepp was recently divorced from Alasdair E. Swanson when she started dating John McCain in 1964

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    nonsense - they can be reprimanded (as McCain was) or kicked out of the party
    My mistake.

    It leaves no room to denounce or withhold support for policies and candidates of the Party that are not the best for the country. No exceptions ("fully support" are the exact words used). This is exactly what putting party over country first means. You suggest that those who may want to put country first over party should leave the party. Not a bad idea. Hopefully that will fracture the Republicians further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinark View Post
    Hopefully that will fracture the Republicians further.
    let me guess - you're a liberal/democrat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    let me guess - you're a liberal/democrat?
    Firmly anti-Trump and the stranglehold his politics has on the Republician party. I'd vote for some Republicians (the ones who lean economically conservative and socially liberal) but not if they fully support Trump's agenda and are unwilling to fight against bad policies regardless of whether they come from the Dems or the President.

    Not really Democrat or liberal. I am against many of the policies Elizabeth Warren proposes, for example. I'm best described as a neo-liberal.

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