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    Messianic Jew Old Testament Has Dominion Over The Outer Person
    [Rom 7:1-6
    [1] Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?
    [2] For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to [her] husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of [her] husband.
    [3] So then if, while [her] husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.
    [4] Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another--to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.
    [5] For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death.
    6] But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not [in] the oldness of the letter.
    [Rom 7:7-11
    [7] What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "You shall not covet
    [8] But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all [manner of evil] desire. For apart from the law sin [was] dead.
    [9] I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died
    [10] And the commandment, which [was] to [bring] life, I found to [bring] death.
    [11] For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed [me].
    [2Co 3:4-12
    [4] And we have such trust through Christ toward God
    [5] Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as [being] from ourselves, but our sufficiency [is] from God,
    [6] who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
    [7] But if the ministry of death, written [and] engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which [glory] was passing away,
    [8] how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?
    [9] For if the ministry of condemnation [had] glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory
    [10] For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels
    [11] For if what is passing away [was] glorious, what remains [is] much more glorious.
    [12] Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech--
    [Rom 8:1-8
    [1] [There is] therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
    [2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
    [3] For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God [did] by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
    [4] that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
    [5] For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those [who live] according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
    [6] For to be carnally minded [is] death, but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.
    [7] Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
    [8] So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

    xxx If you are a Jew you are married to the old testament. And even if you become a Messianic Jew you are still married to the old testament. You must get rid of the old testament al together if you want to be a Christian. If you try to keep both you will be committing adultery.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    Messianic Jew Old Testament Has Dominion Over The Outer Person
    [Rom 7:1-6
    [1] Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?
    [2] For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to [her] husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of [her] husband.
    [3] So then if, while [her] husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.
    [4] Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another--to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.
    [5] For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death.
    6] But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not [in] the oldness of the letter.
    [Rom 7:7-11
    [7] What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "You shall not covet
    [8] But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all [manner of evil] desire. For apart from the law sin [was] dead.
    [9] I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died
    [10] And the commandment, which [was] to [bring] life, I found to [bring] death.
    [11] For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed [me].
    [2Co 3:4-12
    [4] And we have such trust through Christ toward God
    [5] Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as [being] from ourselves, but our sufficiency [is] from God,
    [6] who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
    [7] But if the ministry of death, written [and] engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which [glory] was passing away,
    [8] how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?
    [9] For if the ministry of condemnation [had] glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory
    [10] For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels
    [11] For if what is passing away [was] glorious, what remains [is] much more glorious.
    [12] Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech--
    [Rom 8:1-8
    [1] [There is] therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
    [2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
    [3] For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God [did] by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
    [4] that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
    [5] For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those [who live] according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
    [6] For to be carnally minded [is] death, but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.
    [7] Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
    [8] So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

    xxx If you are a Jew you are married to the old testament. And even if you become a Messianic Jew you are still married to the old testament. You must get rid of the old testament al together if you want to be a Christian. If you try to keep both you will be committing adultery.


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    The Scriptures remain whether a person observes them or not. To observe in Christ must be not to reject the old testament but to live according to the new.
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    in beginning he created gods the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    The Scriptures remain whether a person observes them or not. To observe in Christ must be not to reject the old testament but to live according to the new.
    I said
    Its to put the old testament in its place.

    [Heb 8:13
    [13] In that He says, "A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    Messianic Jew Old Testament Has Dominion Over The Outer Person
    [Rom 7:1-6
    [1] Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?
    [2] For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to [her] husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of [her] husband.
    [3] So then if, while [her] husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man.
    [4] Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another--to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God.
    [5] For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death.
    6] But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not [in] the oldness of the letter.
    [Rom 7:7-11
    [7] What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, "You shall not covet
    [8] But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all [manner of evil] desire. For apart from the law sin [was] dead.
    [9] I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died
    [10] And the commandment, which [was] to [bring] life, I found to [bring] death.
    [11] For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed [me].
    [2Co 3:4-12
    [4] And we have such trust through Christ toward God
    [5] Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as [being] from ourselves, but our sufficiency [is] from God,
    [6] who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
    [7] But if the ministry of death, written [and] engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which [glory] was passing away,
    [8] how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious?
    [9] For if the ministry of condemnation [had] glory, the ministry of righteousness exceeds much more in glory
    [10] For even what was made glorious had no glory in this respect, because of the glory that excels
    [11] For if what is passing away [was] glorious, what remains [is] much more glorious.
    [12] Therefore, since we have such hope, we use great boldness of speech--
    [Rom 8:1-8
    [1] [There is] therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
    [2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
    [3] For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God [did] by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
    [4] that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
    [5] For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those [who live] according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
    [6] For to be carnally minded [is] death, but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.
    [7] Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
    [8] So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

    xxx If you are a Jew you are married to the old testament. And even if you become a Messianic Jew you are still married to the old testament. You must get rid of the old testament al together if you want to be a Christian. If you try to keep both you will be committing adultery.


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    Now would be the time to share that there is NO MORE marriage contract with the old wife...she killed her Husband Who had put her away for her adultery...but she killed Him and now that confirms until death doth part...well happily He wrote a NEW MARRIAGE CONTRACT and it was SEALED upon HIS getting killed...

    AND then the Husband was resurrected and is now looking for another wife...His tastes in woman HAS NOT CHANGED and He seeks one loyal and obedient to the SAME TERMS as the last wife refused to keep...

    See this is what Paul was teaching even at the end of his life...He gathered jews and would still be able to say...Acts 28:17-20

    “I have committed nothing against the people or customs of our fathers yet was I delivered prisoner from Jerusalem...they examined and me had to let me go...NO CAUSE...but for the Hope of Israel I am bound”

    21 The believing jews had not received any news of ill about Paul...22 but still wanted to hear what Paul thought about “THIS SECT” the very sect Paul confessed to worshipping the God of his ancestors...the sect known as “the WAY”...23 and so Paul spoke to them persuading them concerning Yahushua both OUT OF THE LAW OF MOSES AND OUT OF THE PROPHETS

    24Some believed some believed NOT...Paul finalized that salvation of Yah is sent to the goyim and they will hear it...

    Paul continues that the Gentiles would believe and receive

    Except Squeaky...he shows up panting with Paul’s letters insisting “BUT BUT BUT the OT is done away with so do whatever you want as long as you convince yourselves...Jesus abolished the laws...YEEEE HAWWW”

    LOL

    Acts 28:30 has Paul receiving ALL that came in unto him...both jew and goyim I imagine...

    Except Squeaky...poor Squeaky could never figure out what day he was to lay about or rest

    Acts 28:31 the BOOK ENDS with NO MAN no jew no gentile forbidding Paul to teach all things concerning Yahushua...

    Imagine if Paul was teaching gentile citizens of rome to worship another Semitic desert god on Sundays...pagan authorities would get upset...later they actually did as this superstitio jewish sect would not even pay tribute tax...like the jews did...

    Or what if Paul was teaching jews to worship on Sundays...jews would be kvetching for sure...

    BUT NO MAN FORBID HIM TO TEACH YAHUSHUA NEITHER JEW NOR GENTILE


    Acts 28:32 would have been a very good time to show those things concerning Yahushua was that He did indeed change even abolish the customs of Moses...or that He dispenced a new dispensation a new list of to do’s (or in this case no need to do’s) for the body of Christ...or that his new disciple Squeaky was correct that choose any day you want to rest or every day...as long as you convince yourself do anything anytime...

    ALAS...nothing...no Squeaky with his new gospel another christ message...as it remains His will be done not Squeaky’s...on earth as it is in heaven...

    John concludes the testament about 30 years later

    “Here are they that keep the commandments of Yah and the faith of Yahushua...”

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Now would be the time to share that there is NO MORE marriage contract with the old wife...she killed her Husband Who had put her away for her adultery...but she killed Him and now that confirms until death doth part...well happily He wrote a NEW MARRIAGE CONTRACT and it was SEALED upon HIS getting killed...

    AND then the Husband was resurrected and is now looking for another wife...His tastes in woman HAS NOT CHANGED and He seeks one loyal and obedient to the SAME TERMS as the last wife refused to keep...

    See this is what Paul was teaching even at the end of his life...He gathered jews and would still be able to say...Acts 28:17-20

    “I have committed nothing against the people or customs of our fathers yet was I delivered prisoner form Jerusalem...they examined me had to let me go...NO CAUSE...but for the Hope of Israel I am bound”

    21 The believing jews had not received any news of ill about Paul...22 but still wanted to hear what Paul thought about “THIS SECT” the very sect Paul confessed to worshipping the God of his ancestors...the sect known as “the WAY”...23 and so Paul spoke to them persuading them concerning Yahushua both OUT OF THE LAW OF MOSES AND OUT OF THE PROPHETS

    24Some believed some believed NOT...Paul finalized that salvation of Yah is sent to the goyim and they will hear it...

    Except Squeaky...he shows up panting with Paul’s letters insisting “BUT BUT BUT the OT is done away with so do whatever you want as long as you convince yourselves...Jesus abolished the laws...YEEEE HAWWW”


    LOL

    Acts 28:32 would have been a very good time to show those things concerning Yahushua was that He did indeed change even abolish the customs of Moses...or that He dispenced a new dispensation a new list of to do’s (or in this case no need to do’s) for the body of Christ...or that his new disciple Squeaky was correct that choose any day you want to rest or every day...as long as you convince yourself do anything anytime...

    ALAS...nothing...no Squeaky with his new gospel another christ message...as it remains His will be done not Squeaky’s...on earth as it is in heaven...

    John concludes the testament about 30 years later

    “Here are they that keep the commandments of Yah and the faith of Yahushua...”
    I said
    lol You do have a wild imagination. I never said nothing like that, but to deceive people you use gross exaggerations. That is called guile. Again to keep the law of Christ one must make the old testament law bosolete. For a Christian to keep any part of the old testament that Jesus hasnt brought over to the new testament he will fall from grace. And be subject to the whole entire old testament.

    [Gal 5:1-4
    [1] Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
    [2] Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
    [3] And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
    [4] You have become estranged from Christ, you who [attempt to] be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    lol You do have a wild imagination. I never said nothing like that, but to deceive people you use gross exaggerations. That is called guile. Again to keep the law of Christ one must make the old testament law bosolete. For a Christian to keep any part of the old testament that Jesus hasnt brought over to the new testament he will fall from grace. And be subject to the whole entire old testament.

    [Gal 5:1-4
    [1] Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.
    [2] Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing.
    [3] And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law.
    [4] You have become estranged from Christ, you who [attempt to] be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.
    Already covered this old man...

    Read this as slowly as I type it...

    “You who [attampt to] be justified by law: you have fallen from grace”

    NEVER DID I SAY WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO BE JUSTIFIED BY OUR ATTEMPT TO KEEP THE LAW

    We are justified by HIM and what HE did...we WANT to attempt to keep the LAW because HE DID WHAT HE DID FOR US...

    Its like an owner’s manual for a car...you don’t read and do what it instructs TO GET THE CAR
    You read and do what it says BECAUSE YOU ALREADY OWN THE CAR...duh

    The baby does NOT breath in order to become alive
    The baby breathes because it already IS ALIVE

    Squeaky does not keep the Sabbath because he wants to be saved
    Squeaky does not keep the Sabbath because he DOES NOT WANT to...LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    Its to put the old testament in its place.

    [Heb 8:13
    [13] In that He says, "A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
    What is?
    Bereishit - Genesis - Chapter 1

    1 In the beginning of God's creation of the heavens and the earth.
    :א בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית בָּרָ֣א אֱלֹהִ֑ים אֵ֥ת הַשָּׁמַ֖יִם וְאֵ֥ת הָאָֽרֶץ

    in beginning he created gods the heavens and the earth

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    Already covered this old man...

    Read this as slowly as I type it...

    “You who [attampt to] be justified by law: you have fallen from grace”

    NEVER DID I SAY WE ARE ATTEMPTING TO BE JUSTIFIED BY OUR ATTEMPT TO KEEP THE LAW

    We are justified by HIM and what HE did...we WANT to attempt to keep the LAW because HE DID WHAT HE DID FOR US...

    Its like an owner’s manual for a car...you don’t read and do what it instructs TO GET THE CAR
    You read and do what it says BECAUSE YOU ALREADY OWN THE CAR...duh

    The baby does NOT breath in order to become alive
    The baby breathes because it already IS ALIVE

    Squeaky does not keep the Sabbath because he wants to be saved
    Squeaky does not keep the Sabbath because he DOES NOT WANT to...LOL
    I said
    lol That is called double talk. You keep the law and your upset because I dont. So you are trying to be justified by keeping it. Your wrong.

    [Act 15:24-29
    [24] Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, "[You must] be circumcised and keep the law"--to whom we gave no [such] commandment--
    [25] it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
    [26] men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    [27] We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth.
    [28] For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:
    [29] that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob View Post
    What is?
    I said
    The definition of the word covenant is testament. A new testament has made the old testament obsolete.

    [13] In that He says, "A new [covenant]," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Squeaky View Post
    I said
    lol That is called double talk. You keep the law and your upset because I dont. So you are trying to be justified by keeping it. Your wrong.

    [Act 15:24-29
    [24] Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, "[You must] be circumcised and keep the law"--to whom we gave no [such] commandment--
    [25] it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
    [26] men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
    [27] We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who will also report the same things by word of mouth.
    [28] For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:
    [29] that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.
    All 4 of those were already expected of goyim living in Israels gates...remember those that the Sabbath was also given to? OF COURSE YOU DON’T...LOL

    Well anyways all 4 of those were given to crowding goyim who went to synagogues to hear Moses preached and read in every city...EVERY SABBATH...

    James concluded with expectations that they would continue to do so... would continue to hear Moses both preached and read in EVERY city...EVERY SABBATH...to hear WHAT ELSE THEY WANTED TO DO...BECAUSE ONE WAS RESURRECTED FOR THEM TO BE SAVED

    Oh and 3 of those 4 things were continuing levitical OT dietary laws...LOL...

    AND NOT TO BE JUSTIFIED but BECAUSE the were made clean IS WHY nothing unclean was to be put inside themselves the new temple...

    Remember it is NOT what goes in that makes one unclean but that HE ALLOWS THAT WHICH IS UNCLEAN TO ENTER

    So being unclean you eat your swine...probebly strangled and full of blood (rare)...

    So clean your act up...was considered pleasing to the Holy SPirit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by clefty View Post
    All 4 of those were already expected of goyim living in Israels gates...remember those that the Sabbath was also given to? OF COURSE YOU DON’T...LOL

    Well anyways all 4 of those were given to crowding goyim who went to synagogues to hear Moses preached and read in every city...EVERY SABBATH...

    James concluded with expectations that they would continue to do so... would continue to hear Moses both preached and read in EVERY city...EVERY SABBATH...to hear WHAT ELSE THEY WANTED TO DO...BECAUSE ONE WAS RESURRECTED FOR THEM TO BE SAVED

    Oh and 3 of those 4 things were continuing levitical OT dietary laws...LOL...

    AND NOT TO BE JUSTIFIED but BECAUSE the were made clean IS WHY nothing unclean was to be put inside themselves the new temple...

    Remember it is NOT what goes in that makes one unclean but that HE ALLOWS THAT WHICH IS UNCLEAN TO ENTER

    So being unclean you eat your swine...probebly strangled and full of blood (rare)...

    So clean your act up...was considered pleasing to the Holy SPirit...
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    lol No one can keep the old testament law of an eye for an eye. And the new testament turn the other cheek. Together.

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    lol No one can keep the old testament law of an eye for an eye. And the new testament turn the other cheek. Together.
    Why you doubt Yah divide His house?

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    All false gospels add works to grace.
    He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright Raven View Post
    All false gospels add works to grace.
    I said
    JUDGED ACCORDING TO YOUR WORKS

    James 2:24
    24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
    James 2:20-21
    20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
    21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar?
    James 2:17-18
    17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
    18 But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
    James 2:22
    22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect?
    James 2:26
    26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
    1 Cor 15:58
    58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.
    James 1:23-25
    23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror;
    24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was.
    25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.
    Gal 5:22-25
    22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
    23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
    24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
    25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
    Matt 25:32-46
    32 "All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.
    33 "And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
    34 "Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    35 'for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in;
    36 'I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.'
    37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink?
    38 'When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You?
    39 'Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?'
    40 "And the King will answer and say to them, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.'
    41 "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
    42 'for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;
    43 'I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.'
    44 "Then they also will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?'
    45 "Then He will answer them, saying, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
    46 "And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
    1 Cor 3:9-16
    9 For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, you are God's building.
    10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it.
    11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
    12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
    13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is.
    14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.
    15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
    16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
    1 Tim 5:24-25
    24 Some men's sins are clearly evident, preceding them to judgment, but those of some men follow later.
    25 Likewise, the good works of some are clearly evident, and those that are otherwise cannot be hidden.
    Titus 3:14
    14 And let our people also learn to maintain good works, to meet urgent needs, that they may not be unfruitful.
    Heb 6:1
    1 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
    Heb 10:24
    24 And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works,
    James 2:14
    14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?
    James 2:17
    17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
    James 2:18
    18 But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
    James 2:19-20
    19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-- and tremble!
    20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
    James 2:24
    24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
    James 2:26
    26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
    Matt 6:1-8
    1 "Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven.
    2 "Therefore, when you do a charitable deed, do not sound a trumpet before you as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.
    3 "But when you do a charitable deed, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
    4 "that your charitable deed may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will Himself reward you openly.
    5 "And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.
    6 "But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.
    7 "And when you pray, do not use vain repetitions as the heathen do. For they think that they will be heard for their many words.
    8 "Therefore do not be like them. For your Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him.
    Matt 25:33-46
    33 "And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
    34 "Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    35 'for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in;
    36 'I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.'
    37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink?
    38 'When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You?
    39 'Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?'
    40 "And the King will answer and say to them, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.'
    41 "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
    42 'for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink;
    43 'I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.'
    44 "Then they also will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?'
    45 "Then He will answer them, saying, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
    46 "And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
    1 Pet 4:6
    6 For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
    Rev 20:12
    12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
    Matt 16:27-28
    27 "For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.
    28 "Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."
    (NKJ)


    xxx We will be judged by our works but our works will not get us there. So how does this work?
    Well the word says to prove yourself to God. It also says to examine yourself as to whether you are in the faith. So we try to do the things that Jesus tells us to do. And if we are walking according to the word of faith we see all these commandments that Jesus has give us. Now although we can not do enough because everyone falls short of the glory of God. Depending on how hard we try, determines how much mercy God will show us in our attempt to obey Him. Now our works dont get us there, but our works gets us mercy. And mercy conbined with our works does get us there.

    I Jn 2:4
    4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
    I Jn 2:3
    3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.

    Rev 22:10-12
    10 And he said to me, "Do not seal the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand.
    11 "He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still."
    12 "And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work.
    (NKJ)


    2 Tim 4:1
    1 I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:
    (NKJ)

    1 Pet 1:3-7
    3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
    4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,
    5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
    6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials,
    7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ,
    (NKJ)
    Rev 2-23

    Rev 14:13
    13 Then I heard a voice from heaven saying to me, "Write: 'Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.'" "Yes," says the Spirit, "that they may rest from their labors, and their works follow them."
    (NKJ)

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