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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    God gives life to those who believe. FAITH has everything to do with it.

    Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.


    Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
    You cannot generate faith on your own when you are spiritually dead. You will consider the gospel to be foolishness.
    Belief cannot come before God makes you alive in Christ. It's impossible. Never once has a dead person believed before being made alive. Not once.
    Galatians 3 is a wonderful promise to the elect.
    Galatians 3:15-29
    [15]Dear brothers and sisters, here’s an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or amend an irrevocable agreement, so it is in this case.
    [16]God gave the promises to Abraham and his child. And notice that the Scripture doesn’t say “to his children,” as if it meant many descendants. Rather, it says “to his child”—and that, of course, means Christ.
    [17]This is what I am trying to say: The agreement God made with Abraham could not be canceled 430 years later when God gave the law to Moses. God would be breaking his promise.
    [18]For if the inheritance could be received by keeping the law, then it would not be the result of accepting God’s promise. But God graciously gave it to Abraham as a promise.
    [19]Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised. God gave his law through angels to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people.
    [20]Now a mediator is helpful if more than one party must reach an agreement. But God, who is one, did not use a mediator when he gave his promise to Abraham.
    [21]Is there a conflict, then, between God’s law and God’s promises? Absolutely not! If the law could give us new life, we could be made right with God by obeying it.
    [22]But the Scriptures declare that we are all prisoners of sin, so we receive God’s promise of freedom only by believing in Jesus Christ.
    [23]Before the way of faith in Christ was available to us, we were placed under guard by the law. We were kept in protective custody, so to speak, until the way of faith was revealed.
    [24]Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith.
    [25]And now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the law as our guardian.
    [26]For you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
    [27]And all who have been united with Christ in baptism have put on Christ, like putting on new clothes.
    [28]There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male and female. For you are all one in Christ Jesus.
    [29]And now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children of Abraham. You are his heirs, and God’s promise to Abraham belongs to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    You jump in the middle and think you have the answer.

    Grace is the gift which we access by faith. Salvation is the gift which we access by grace through faith. And before that, Paul makes it clear that we hear the Gospel and then believe.

    Eph. 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

    Here's the order. The Gospel is preached. We hear and then believe.

    Romans 10:14-15 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
    No. If you were correct, you could boast about how YOUR faith caused God to be gracious because YOUR faith was so great.
    Grace would not be grave if you accessed it by your own works. Thus you don't preach salvation by grace. Instead you preach salvation by the works of YOUR faith, apart from God's grace.
    Romans 10 tells the elect to go and preach. Tell the good news so that those whom God has chosen to make alive will hear the good news and believe.
    Dead men cannot believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    You cannot generate faith on your own when you are spiritually dead. You will consider the gospel to be foolishness.
    Belief cannot come before God makes you alive in Christ. It's impossible. Never once has a dead person believed before being made alive. Not once.
    "Spiritually dead" is a made up term.

    You can make whatever pronouncements you want, but it's the GOSPEL that is the POWER of God unto salvation. It is the Gospel that man is able to respond to.

    Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    No. If you were correct, you could boast about how YOUR faith caused God to be gracious because YOUR faith was so great.
    Grace would not be grave if you accessed it by your own works. Thus you don't preach salvation by grace. Instead you preach salvation by the works of YOUR faith, apart from God's grace.
    Romans 10 tells the elect to go and preach. Tell the good news so that those whom God has chosen to make alive will hear the good news and believe.
    Dead men cannot believe.
    Nope, boasting is excluded by the very Law of Faith. Believing is not a work of man, but the work of God, and the POWER to persuade men lies in the Gospel. No man is ever so dead that he can't believe. That's just nonsense. Being in a prison awaiting death does not keep a man from hearing the Gospel.

    Romans tells the preacher to go and preach. The power is in the message itself...not in the man doing the reading from the book.....not in the man doing the preaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Nope, boasting is excluded by the very Law of Faith. Believing is not a work of man, but the work of God, and the POWER to persuade men lies in the Gospel. No man is ever so dead that he can't believe. That's just nonsense. Being in a prison awaiting death does not keep a man from hearing the Gospel.

    Romans tells the preacher to go and preach. The power is in the message itself...not in the man doing the reading from the book.....not in the man doing the preaching.
    Amen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    "Spiritually dead" is a made up term.

    You can make whatever pronouncements you want, but it's the GOSPEL that is the POWER of God unto salvation. It is the Gospel that man is able to respond to.

    Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
    Amen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    Spiritually dead men cannot believe.
    In order for a person to have faith, God must make them alive in Christ and give them the gift of faith. This happens by God's grace, not by human will.
    Ephesians 2:1-10
    You don't understand "The Gospel of the grace of God" as preached by the Apostle Paul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    It has nothing to do with my faith. It has everything to do with God's choice to give life to the dead.
    Your ignorance is your downfall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    That's not working out well for you, is it? You'd best practice up a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    That's not working out well for you, is it? You'd best practice up a bit.
    It's working out just fine thanks.

    Well this is fun isn't it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    You mean like clairvoyance?
    Not really.
    Well this is fun isn't it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    "Spiritually dead" is a made up term.

    You can make whatever pronouncements you want, but it's the GOSPEL that is the POWER of God unto salvation. It is the Gospel that man is able to respond to.

    Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

    1 Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.
    Ephesians 2
    [1]Once you were dead because of your disobedience and your many sins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glorydaz View Post
    Nope, boasting is excluded by the very Law of Faith. Believing is not a work of man, but the work of God, and the POWER to persuade men lies in the Gospel. No man is ever so dead that he can't believe. That's just nonsense. Being in a prison awaiting death does not keep a man from hearing the Gospel.

    Romans tells the preacher to go and preach. The power is in the message itself...not in the man doing the reading from the book.....not in the man doing the preaching.
    Believing is a work of God.
    God must make the person alive before the person can believe. There is no other way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
    You don't understand "The Gospel of the grace of God" as preached by the Apostle Paul.
    You bold it as though it's an apocryphal book.
    Paul teaches predestination, election and God's choosing.
    Better yet, from Genesis 1 to Revelation 22 we see God's sovereign choosing over the affairs of men.
    Grace is: God giving to us what we do not deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grosnick Marowbe View Post
    Your ignorance is your downfall.
    Praise God, He raised me up in Christ Jesus.

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