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    Why don't creationists publish?


    You guys who believe in evolution are always saying: "Why don't you Christians publish in science journals?" If a science journal is dumb enough to publish something that says everything came from nothing for no reason, I'm not too impressed. I'm not sure I want to be associated with that kind of stupidity. You have to go to college for years to be that dumb.


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    Moses published and that is sufficient.
    I know Him, correctly, as Messiah whom you call Christ. Yah Shua whom you call Jesus. Messianists who you call Christians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truster View Post
    Moses published and that is sufficient.
    Perhaps. But there's nothing wrong with publishing more. Right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    You guys who believe in evolution are always saying: "Why don't you Christians publish in science journals?" If a science journal is dumb enough to publish something that says everything came from nothing for no reason, I'm not too impressed. I'm not sure I want to be associated with that kind of stupidity. You have to go to college for years to be that dumb.


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    If that's the "calibre" of the argument then it's no wonder there's little to none in the way of articles submitted for peer review that have been given any credence? You do realize that peer review isn't just a bunch of atheists hanging around a lab ready to dismiss anything that doesn't fit with their preconceptions? That it's a very stringent process that's ongoing etc?

    Ya know, just making sure...

    Well this is fun isn't it?


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    Go away, Brain, you senseless twerp. You know nothing about science or the scientific method.

    http://www.icr.org/article/biblical-...r-peer-review/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain
    ...then it's no wonder there's little to none in the way of articles submitted for peer review that have been given any credence.
    It's pretty simple Arthur. Journals are private enterprises that cater to a specific audience. An atheist should not expect to get published in peer reviewed Christian journals... Nor does a Christian expect to get published in secular journals if they attack the the ruling paradigm / belief system of the subscribers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6days View Post
    It's pretty simple Arthur. Journals are private enterprises that cater to a specific audience. An atheist should not expect to get published in peer reviewed Christian journals... Nor does a Christian expect to get published in secular journals if they attack the the ruling paradigm / belief system of the subscribers.
    Peer review is not a necessary part of the scientific process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Peer review is not a necessary part of the scientific process.

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    They are a key part of the scientific process. One of the key principles of the scientific process is repeatability. If you publish something that others cannot reproduce/independently verify then you have a problem.

    There is no reason that a "creation scientist" would not be published in a mainstream scientific journal if their work rises to the level required for publication.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    They are a key part of the scientific process. One of the key principles of the scientific process is repeatability. If you publish something that others cannot reproduce/independently verify then you have a problem.
    Cabinethead thinks peer review is necessary for an experiment to be repeatable.

    Nope. Peer review is not a necessary part of the scientific approach. Experiments can be repeated on ideas that have not gone through peer review.

    It's bizarre that you would suggest otherwise.

    There is no reason that a creation scientist would not be published in a mainstream scientific journal if their work rises to the level required for publication.
    And they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Cabinethead thinks peer review is necessary for an experiment to be repeatable.
    Well there is a complete lie from Stripe. What I said was, "One of the key principles of the scientific process is repeatability. " Note that I said nothing anywhere near to what Stripe is saying.

    Nope. Peer review is not a necessary part of the scientific approach. Experiments can be repeated on ideas that have not gone through peer review.
    Sure they can. But when you publish in a peer reviewed journal, it initiates a much more formal process. Your peers look at your work and will scrutinize it. If they find an error or an inconstancy or have a question, they will send a formal response that to you and you have to address those comments and republish. The peer review keeps everybody honest.

    It's bizarre that you would suggest otherwise.
    What's bizarre is you commenting on a process that you obviously know nothing about.


    And they are.
    Good for them! HAve any links to support this assertion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    They are a key part of the scientific process.

    they have become a key part of the scientific process, relatively recently in terms of scientific exploration

    One of the key principles of the scientific process is repeatability.
    that doesn't require publication in a peer reviewed journal

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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    ... But when you publish in a peer reviewed journal, it ....


    gonna stop you right there


    modern publication in a peer-reviewed journal does not serve science

    it serves academia

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    Quote Originally Posted by CabinetMaker View Post
    Well there is a complete lie from Stripe.
    Oh, so you were just quoting me and disagreeing for the thrills.

    The peer review keeps everybody honest.


    What's bizarre is you commenting on a process that you obviously know nothing about.

    Good for them!




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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    they have become a key part of the scientific process, relatively recently in terms of scientific exploration
    I suspect that there is a reason for that. Don't you?



    that doesn't require publication in a peer reviewed journal
    No, it doesn't. But when you do publish, others will likely repeat your experiment and see if they get the same results.

    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    gonna stop you right there


    modern publication in a peer-reviewed journal does not serve science

    it serves academia
    As most of the pure research science is done in the academic realm, it serves both science and academia. I don't see you think this is some sort of problem. People have gone after Einstiens's work for years. Many have set out to disprove what he proposed and have instead ended up verifying that he was right. Academic rivalry actually helps the scientific process.
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