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    Quote Originally Posted by Faither View Post
    Nice try Jerry , if that's all you got , were done .
    So I should just ignore what the Greek experts say about the meaning of the word translated " believe"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    So I should just ignore what the Greek experts say about the meaning of the word translated " believe"?
    And what is it the Greek experts say about the word translated "believe " ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faither View Post
    And what is it the Greek experts say about the word translated "believe " ?
    Do you deny that one of the meanings which they give for pisteuō is "to believe"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Do you deny that one of the meanings which they give for pisteuō is "to believe"?
    " Believe " is ( a part ) of pisteuo or they wouldn't have used the word . The problem is, taken on its own " it's not pisteuo or NT Faith and faithing . That is why they also state , " pisteuo means not just to believe ."

    Pisteuo is a verb , an act , BASED UPON A BELIEF , sustained by confidence . So the believing part is about one third of the entire act of pisteuo .

    What is the entire act of pisteuo , that according to the Greek dictionary writers should produce a ful acknowledgement of God ?

    It's a continual personal surrender to Him , and a life inspired by such surrender . More specifically , a specific act of a genuine surrendered life , with a specific belief that God will accept the surrendered life , and sustained by a specific kind of confidence that we make our daily decisions as if our life is not our own anymore but His .

    Any lights going on ?

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    Also , when " believe " the mistranslated word is taken as the whole truth , it turns everything backwards . Instead of God accepting us or our surrendered life ( pisteuo ) , we think that we accept Him by believing in His Word . I think this is so popular because then , by just believing , one mistakenly thinks they can be in Christ , and still retain their unsurrendered life and continue to serve themselves . Have their cake and eat it to so to speak .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faither View Post
    And what is it the Greek experts say about the word translated "believe " ?
    What they say is why the English translaters have it as "believing". Perhaps you should study what "believing" means.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faither View Post
    " Believe " is ( a part ) of pisteuo or they wouldn't have used the word . The problem is, taken on its own " it's not pisteuo or NT Faith and faithing . That is why they also state , " pisteuo means not just to believe ."
    Do you deny that one of the meanings is "to believe"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Do you deny that one of the meanings is "to believe"?
    life

    I thought that was quite clear .

    Again , Strongs Greek dictionary : " pisteuo means not just to believe ."

    It doesn't mean believe sometimes and not believe other times . It never means believe !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faither View Post
    " Believe " is ( a part ) of pisteuo or they wouldn't have used the word . The problem is, taken on its own " it's not pisteuo or NT Faith and faithing . That is why they also state , " pisteuo means not just to believe ."

    Pisteuo is a verb , an act , BASED UPON A BELIEF , sustained by confidence . So the believing part is about one third of the entire act of pisteuo .

    What is the entire act of pisteuo , that according to the Greek dictionary writers should produce a ful acknowledgement of God ?

    It's a continual personal surrender to Him , and a life inspired by such surrender . More specifically , a specific act of a genuine surrendered life , with a specific belief that God will accept the surrendered life , and sustained by a specific kind of confidence that we make our daily decisions as if our life is not our own anymore but His .

    Any lights going on ?
    The Light came on when Jesus came. Are you thinking we don't know that the word "believe" also means "trust"?

    You call it "surrender", but TRUST includes more than just surrender. It includes something that surrender doesn't. I can surrender, and just give up because I have no hope. Or I can believe/trust in God which includes hope.

    Believing/Trust isn't something new to most of us here. Yet you seem to think it's a new kind of special.

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