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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    If you don't know the difference between the voice of Jesus and the call of the loon, you are not one of Jesus' followers.

    John 10:4-5
    4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
    5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.



    John 10:27
    27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
    We have to make ourselves like sheep if we want to be saved.

    Jesus tell us how to do that.

    We have to have fear of God.

    We have to humble ourselves.

    We have to be sorry, confess, and repent of our sins.

    We have to have a forgiving heart.

    We have to want to be saved more than anything or anyone.

    We have to never give up, give out,or give in, no matter how long we have to wait.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    Tell me, how did you save yourself? You state: "Well, get saved." It implies that I save myself. Tell me how you saved yourself.

    Tell me the "doctrine of Jesus Christ." Please use scripture to back up this vague doctrine you bring up so I can consider your view.
    God gives His Spirit to His children.

    You have to become His child first.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Jesus tells us exactly what to do to be a sheep, to be his child.

    Get his teachings and believe and do what he says.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    Did you hear an audible voice? How do you know it wasn't the call of the loon?
    You learned of Him? Who taught you? Did a big vision of Jesus show up like Oral Roberts claimed?
    I answered yours. Now, you answer my question . . . . . . How were you saved??
    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cross Reference View Post
    I answered yours. Now, you answer my question . . . . . . How were you saved??
    God made me alive in Christ and chose to adopt me. He softened my hard heart so that I might see my rebellion. God caused me to repent (and He continues to bring me to repentance). God gave me the gift of faith so that I might enjoy Him. God now works in me, sanctifying me in love. I am God's child by God's gracious mercy in which He saved me out of my rebellion and made me His own.
    I am in awe of God's amazing grace.
    God is Good.

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    [QUOTE=Cross Reference;5264347]I responded to the call of God. . .AFTER I learned of Him by Jesus Christ. /QUOTE]
    Please respond to this:

    Did you hear an audible voice? How do you know it wasn't the call of the loon?

    You learned of Him? Who taught you? Did a big vision of Jesus show up like Oral Roberts claimed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    God made me alive in Christ and chose to adopt me. He softened my hard heart so that I might see my rebellion. God caused me to repent (and He continues to bring me to repentance). God gave me the gift of faith so that I might enjoy Him. God now works in me, sanctifying me in love. I am God's child by God's gracious mercy in which He saved me out of my rebellion and made me His own.
    I am in awe of God's amazing grace.
    God is Good.
    Sanctifying you?? You have no experience you can point to that speak of Christ. Emotions all, if any.
    You live a lie. What else needs be said. Tragic. What are you even doing on a Christian forum when all you have is regurgatated darkness and hatred which speaks for itself? . .and it does speak for itself, loud and clear.
    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cross Reference View Post
    Sanctifying you?? You have no experience you can point to that speak of Christ. Emotions all, if any.
    You live a lie. What else needs be said. Tragic. What are you even doing on a Christian forum when all you have is regurgatated darkness and hatred which speaks for itself? . .and it does speak for itself, loud and clear.
    CR, You have no clue, so it's best you stay silent regarding the Valley God has lead me through. He has carried me on more than one occasion through deep, deep sorrows that I do not wish on anyone. Yet the Valley of Vision is good and brings a blessing in the suffering. I am grateful beyond anything I can express for God's goodness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    CR, You have no clue,
    Clue not needed. You have demonstrated the whole satanic disposition.

    I wouldn't buy one thing you offer in Jesus Name. Thank you, but you have earned what you deserve.
    "That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;" Philippians 2:15 (KJV)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    God made me alive in Christ and chose to adopt me.
    You tell me why you say God choose you.
    I will see if it lines up the the words in the Bible.

    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    He softened my hard heart so that I might see my rebellion.
    God tells us to soften our own hearts.

    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    God caused me to repent (and He continues to bring me to repentance).
    How does God cause you to repent?

    I'm going to compare what you say with the scriptures.

    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    God gave me the gift of faith so that I might enjoy Him.
    How?
    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post

    God now works in me, sanctifying me in love.
    How?
    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    I am God's child by God's gracious mercy in which He saved me out of my rebellion and made me His own.
    Why?

    Let's compare your answers to God's Truth as found in the Holy Bible.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cross Reference View Post
    Clue not needed. You have demonstrated the whole satanic disposition.

    I wouldn't buy one thing you offer in Jesus Name. Thank you, but you have earned what you deserve.
    God will repeat those words you wrote back to you someday. How will you defend it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    God will repeat those words you wrote back to you someday. How will you defend it?
    How will both of you?

    Neither one of you can say you never heard the truth.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    How will both of you?

    Neither one of you can say you never heard the truth.
    I fall at the mercy of God. I admit there is no righteousness within me. If I am not found alive in Christ then I am dead in my sins and God will justly condemn me.
    I have faith that God has made me alive in Christ.
    Ephesians 2:6
    he raised us (me) from the dead along with Christ and seated us (me) with him in the heavenly realms because we (I am) are united with Christ Jesus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    I fall at the mercy of God. I admit there is no righteousness within me. If I am not found alive in Christ then I am dead in my sins and God will justly condemn me.
    I have faith that God has made me alive in Christ.
    Ephesians 2:6

    Mennosota ,
    In your understanding , at what point , or when does God seal the Spirit of Christ into the elect .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cross Reference View Post
    CALVINISM: TULIP

    T: Total depravity Every facet of every person everywhere has been marred by sin.

    Actuality:

    Though by definition total depravity could be conceived to be reprobation. However, it could be, for one reason of another, a temporary swing in one’s disposition who is without God or who has run from Him. Reprobation, on the other hand, is by a decree of God which cannot be reversed even by Him. (cf Romans 1:28 KJV). Here how it works: If you remember Queen Esther, a kings decree is always the last word meaning, even he can’t reverse it. In this is God seen as KING of KINGs no other king can be over Him making His decrees ABSOLUTELY IRREVERSIBLE! By this same knowledge and understanding, a kings decision for the advancement of any individual are never decrees, if he is a wise king. This even held true for Jesus.

    U: Unconditional electionGod chooses those to be saved based solely on His will:

    Actuality

    The elect are of the New Born of God, Spiritually birthed from above. Upon salvation they are the select who continued on to have their lives ruled by the Life of Christ Jesus.

    L: Limited atonementChrist died only for those who are elect:

    Actuality

    By His death on the cross did Jesus Christ redeem all of mankind, restoring them to same level playing field Adam enjoyed before he transgressed. In addition did those righteous held captive by the grave rejoice to have been set free!

    I: Irresistible grace The elect cannot resist God’s call to salvation:

    Actuality

    The elect are those chosen in the foreknowledge of God witnessed by Him after the fact of their salvation. Irresistible grace would be by “vision” of that which God would grant them sufficient to seal them unto eternal life., i.e., His new birth built upon the foundation of Redemption. This, however, would not impede one who might otherwise purposely, by untoward persuasion, choose to fall away unto apostasy. By God’s design will the freewill of man always be an issue until his glorification, irrespective of election.

    P: Perseverance of the saintsThe elect cannot lose their salvation:

    Actuality

    If they remain faithful: “If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister; Colossians 1:23 (KJV) + many more verses.
    The acromyn TULIP are Representative of Gospel Truths !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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