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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    like the queen does in england
    Exactly. The British figured out that a single head of state who is also head of government is a bad idea. Our system hasn't caught up to that innovation yet.

    Strong presidential systems like ours are very rare, because they tend to devolve into dictatorships.

    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    there's an ongoing debate in canadian politics about "first past the post"
    That's a different aspect. But also interesting. If it were up to me, we'd use ranked choice voting instead of first-past-the-post. It's fairer, it reduces the need for strategic voting, reduces vote wasting and makes votes more effective, and it reduces the impact of gerrymandering.


    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    i spose we would call it "winner take all"

    the intent (in canada, of reforming this paradigm) is to form a more representative government, where the "losers" are also represented

    saw this play out last year in the netherlands with geert wilders
    I believe the Netherlands uses a party list system, which is different from ranked choice. But it's true that one of the virtues given for first-past-the-post is that it kinda prevents things too far from the two mainstream parties from getting power. It doesn't, however, deal with the case where someone can get a firm hold on one of the main parties.
    Global warming denialists are like gravity denialists piloting a helicopter, determined to prove a point. We may not have time to actually persuade them of their mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Casting lots causes contentions to cease, And keeps the mighty apart. - Proverbs 18:18 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...8&version=NKJV



    None. Authority doesn't flow from the people to the government. It flows downhill from God to government to people. Therefore there is no righteous way to remove a ruler from power. Doing so would violate the flow of authority.

    Also, God tells us that the authorities are His ministers, that He gave them authority over people. Subverting that authority is, even indirectly, subverting God's authority.



    · Monarchy is the purest form of government. A single point of accountability often rightly motivates.
    · Even an evil King knows that history will hold him personally responsible for his government’s
    actions.
    · Democracy, i.e. governance by committee, dilutes responsibility and conceals blame.· Anonymous voting insulates the masses from any compelling concern for the judgment of history.
    · A bureaucracy can last for centuries and it morally deteriorates over time.
    · Corrupt institutions virtually never revive. Corrupt kings can repent, or at the very least, die.
    · Individuals often repent, bureaucracies rarely even express sorrow.
    · Men under an evil King need change only one heart; those in a democracy can never change millions.
    · Authority flows downhill, not uphill, so monarchy promotes healthy hierarchical relationships.
    · Monarchy will save billions of dollars in resources otherwise wasted on elections.
    · Monarchy frees up millions of otherwise politically ambitious people for productive ventures.
    · Many monarchs steal, murder, and commit adultery, yet historically they have not legalized these crimes.
    · A criminal king harms his nation far less than democracies by which the masses will legalize crime.
    · Monarchy avoids the systemic failures of democracies and republics. (see list provided below)
    · The political spectrum does not see extremes meet, nor sets on government size, but on authority flow.

    Failures of democracies/republics:

    On Democracy:
    - Democracy empowers the majority to abuse any minority
    - Democracy is mob rule slightly slowed
    - 51% has no inherent right to compel the 49%
    - Democracies use the words politics and politician as pejoratives
    - The masses hear only sound-bytes. Via democracy, this aids disingenuous flattering politicians.
    - Would you let your precinct decide your medical treatment? If not, then should they decide your future and the nation's future?
    - Monetary, criminal, and foreign policies are too important to be directed by amateurs applying cliches.
    - Morally the majority sinks to the level permitted by government. If the majority IS the government, then what will stop the nation's decline?
    - Authority flows downhill, not uphill. So democracy is unnatural, and promotes rebellion and egocentrism.
    - Children do not vote to give their parents authority over them, neither should citizens vote to give their leaders authority over them.
    - Elections waste fortunes, from lost productivity, campaign expenses, and legal bribery.
    - Last century, democracy empowered the Nazis and democratic socialists slaughtered tens of milliions.
    - Cicero: Elected officials gain favor with the people, by giving them other men's property.
    - Seneca: Democracy is more cruel than wars or tyrants.
    - The detestable desire to lord it over one's neighbor incites the worst of men to campaign for office.
    - Democracy, a left wing idea is loved by modern liberals and appeals to those obsessed with control.
    - The bigger the committee, the more unreliable its performance, and the fewer those who control it.
    - Democracy enables the few to manipulate the many, and easily conceals the true rulers.
    - Democracy, the most divisive form of government, sets neighbor against neighbor.
    - Better living under one tyrant than a million, though counting yourself among them.
    - History teaches, through man's inhumanity toward man, that men are not basically good, but basically inherently evil.
    - In denial of scripture, leftists believe men are basically good, and so they support rule by the people
    - Via democracy, the morality of the average man pulls government downward.
    - One wager/bet against the casino might win, likewise one leader may be good, but not millions. As wagers multiply, the chance of loss increases dramatically, and so do many voters increase the likelihood for evil.
    - Democracy eventually legitimizes stealing, murder, adultery, pornography.
    - The restraint of government, church, and family can be a positive force.
    - Man's inherent sinfulness indicates that democracy will systematically worsen government.
    - Unlike majorities, even wicked individuals may decide justly for their own reputation's sake. (eg Pilate) Christ was a victim of democracy.
    - Elections: Let me describe an election using unrelated words from Romans 16: "By smooth words and with flattering speech, they deceive the hearts of the simple."
    - A letter to Charlemagne 800 AD, Alcuin made a BIG mistake when he said, "The voice of the people is the voice of God."
    - President Millard Filmore rightly said, "May God save the country, for it is obvious that the people will not."
    - The forces of Hell love democracy, including Hillary, homosexuals, humanists, and Hollywood, they all love democracy. That should be a sign...

    On Republics:
    - A representative republic is a close relative of democracy. It's just democracy slightly slowed. And democracy is mob rule slightly slowed. So republics are democracies, just a little less efficient.
    - Many of the failings of democracy apply also to representative republics.
    - Also republics obscure accountability even more so than do democracies. In a republic, we blame officials, who blame us.
    Did you think all that up all by your lonesome? If not how about a citation to where you found it.

    Since you base your political theory on your particular god, are you suggesting that if you cast those lots as a Christian it would work out better than if I as an atheist tried that? Seems to me you have to depend on that for a good
    result.

    Also seems to me that you would have been a Tory back in the day.

    And despite the fact that "Many monarchs steal, murder, and commit adultery, yet historically they have not legalized these crimes". So what? Your point? Many dictators have done as well without legalizing those crimes. What is the difference?

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    And the devil took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time, 6and said to him, “To you I will give all this authority and their glory, for it has been delivered to me, and I give it to whom I will. 7If you, then, will worship me, it will all be yours.”
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    And the devil took him up and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time, 6and said to him, “To you I will give all this authority and their glory, for it has been delivered to me, and I give it to whom I will. 7If you, then, will worship me, it will all be yours.”
    Your point?

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    Meaning every nation and Kingdom that has ever been on this planet, minus Israel, is satan's. Including the good ole USA
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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    And Christians think they can reform it. I do wish it was that easy, but it isn't.
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    Next, ditch the electoral vote and go with the popular vote.
    And let two states decide for everyone else? No thank you...
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Through casting lots, or by hereditary succession of the firstborn son of the previous ruler. If none, then another casting of lots to choose the next ruler.
    Dude, this isn't Israel...
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Meaning every nation and Kingdom that has ever been on this planet, minus Israel, is satan's. Including the good ole USA
    Except those of us who do not need to agree with your theology simply dont buy that statement

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    Except those of us who do not need to agree with your theology simply dont buy that statement
    Then don't. It's your soul, not mine.
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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