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    Dear slaveboy: there is hope for you and all who have been made slaves in Adam1.

    Your answer=

    ῥύομαι=

    1. To rescue/ deliver.

    2. To draw to oneself.

    3. To pull to oneself

    4. To snatch up.

    5. To draw/ rescue to and for the Deliverer.

    "The whole of created life shall be delivered"

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    Quote Originally Posted by FineLinen View Post
    He loses NOTHING!
    John 17:12 KJV
    (12) While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

    We don't tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters exist.
    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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    Dear Tambora: The Saviour of all mankind instructs His disciples to gather up all fragments of fish and bread "that nothing be lost." On a scale of one to ten: what are the chances the sons & daughters of Adam1, for whom He appeared as the hilasmos of the holos escape His powerful work?

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    ῥύομαι=

    1. To rescue/ deliver.

    2. To draw to oneself.

    3. To pull to oneself

    4. To snatch up.

    5. To draw/ rescue to and for the Deliverer.

    "The whole of created life shall be delivered/set free..."

    What is the scope of those rescued to & for the Deliverer Jesus Christ?

    http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ScripturalProofs.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by FineLinen View Post
    Greetings everyone. I am a Newbie here and would like to introduce myself. I am getting on in age but still have a few toes on this side of the Glory. Jesus the Christ is the focus of my life, coming to know Him over 60 years ago. That union has been one of expanding dimensions that have pressed me into experiences that have required enlargement of my spirit to behold that which is not simple, and indeed, in keeping with the One whose ways are past finding out.

    I trust there are those on this Board who hunger for more and more of Him. At the base of His movings is His great love for us all and the hunger He creates to know Him and the power of His mighty resurrection. May He lift us all into His mighty love as the Father of all fathers!

    What Is Christian Universalism?

    "Any true definition of Christian Universalism MUST INCLUDE THE BELIEF that God is all Sovereign, loving, powerful, wise, just, and ultimately rules over everything. It MUST ALSO INCLUDE the belief that salvation is only by faith in God and was finalized by Jesus Christ "who gave Himself a ransom for all" (1 Tim 2:6). The definition of Christian Universalism DOES INCLUDE THE BELIEF that God "will have all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:4)."

    Are our broadest hopes broad enough? Shall there be a nook or abyss, in all the universe of God, finally unlightened by the Cross? Shall there be a sin, or sorrow, or pain unhealed? Is the very universe, is creation in all its extent, a field wide enough for the Son of God?
    It's a nice thought, but utterly impractical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    It's a nice thought, but utterly impractical.

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    Dear Stripe: It depends from whom "the nice thought" originates!

    "It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you......"

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    Quote Originally Posted by FineLinen View Post
    Dear Stripe: It depends from whom "the nice thought" originates!
    It's originating in you.

    Why should we believe your idea over reality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    It's originating in you.

    Why should we believe your idea over reality?

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    Dear Stripe: Please disregard "my idea" quickly! "Reality" as you term it should also be disregarded in favour of the One who is Reality!

    "From Him, by Him, to Him"

    "It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him. And you......"

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    Originally Posted by Nerfball

    "As I said, universalism is appealing to me. As I've said elsewhere, the doctrine of eternal damnation is troubling to me. But I'm not going to reinvent Christianity to make myself happy. I'm going to trust that whatever eternal damnation turns out to be, I'll see that it's consistent with the just, merciful and loving nature of the God in whom I believe."

    One of my friends on another thread, a former PHD professor, just responded>>>>

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    Our ignorant ancestors were steeped in the OT beliefs about their War God and refused to give up their indoctrination to fully accept what this upstart Jesus tried to tell them about the True Nature of God as agape love. So Jesus SHOWED them at the expense of His body and life. He endured scourging and crucifixion while loving even His torturers and murderers. He smote no one. Unfortunately, even that unambiguous demonstration of God's true nature fell to the ignorance of our ancestors' and their belief in blood sacrifice to appease their wrathful and vengeful OT God. The rest is history. Sad, very sad. There is NOTHING merciful, loving or compassionate about eternal damnation for the actions of a finite life, period! It accomplishes NOTHING and is ONLY punitive and vengeful. That you choose NOT to see what is so obvious reveals your closed mind and fear of God who you should love.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FineLinen View Post
    Dear Stripe: Please disregard "my idea" quickly!
    Way ahead of you, pal.

    "Reality" as you term it should also be disregarded in favour of the One who is Reality!


    You want to depart from reality to impress God?

    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Way ahead of you, pal.





    You want to depart from reality to impress God?

    Why?
    Dear Father: Can you see Stripe and I? No, the woman at the picnic is NOT Stripe!

    I am anxious to impress You!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    John 17:12 KJV
    (12) While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
    Lost for how long?

    22 For as indeed in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.

    27 For “He has put in subjection all under His feet.” But when it may be said that all things have been put in subjection, it is evident that the One having put in subjection all things to Him is excepted. 28 Now when all shall have been put in subjection to Him, then also the Son Himself will be put in subjection to the One having put in subjection all to Him, so that God may be all in all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregoryN View Post
    Lost for how long?
    I see the scripture that says Jesus lost Judas.
    I don't see the scripture that says Judas became unlost after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    I see the scripture that says Jesus lost Judas.
    I don't see the scripture that says Judas became unlost after that.
    22 For as indeed in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.

    27 For “He has put in subjection all under His feet.” But when it may be said that all things have been put in subjection, it is evident that the One having put in subjection all things to Him is excepted. 28 Now when all shall have been put in subjection to Him, then also the Son Himself will be put in subjection to the One having put in subjection all to Him, so that God may be all in all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GregoryN View Post
    22 For as indeed in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.

    27 For “He has put in subjection all under His feet.” But when it may be said that all things have been put in subjection, it is evident that the One having put in subjection all things to Him is excepted. 28 Now when all shall have been put in subjection to Him, then also the Son Himself will be put in subjection to the One having put in subjection all to Him, so that God may be all in all.
    Let's look and see what scripture specifically says about Judas.


    John 17:12 KJV
    (12) While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.


    We see right there in black and white that Jesus did lose Judas.
    So the statement that Jesus never lost any is false.

    Now let's see what sort of future scripture gives concerning Judas specifically.


    Matthew 26:24 KJV
    (24) The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.


    That's not sounding like a bright and happy future for Judas at all.

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    They already know monsters exist.
    We tell our children fairy tales so that they will know that monsters can be killed.

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