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    That is just so flat wrong. Why would we be taught to examine ourselves? Why would we be warned that we might fall and lose our salvation? Why would Scripture teach about eternal conscious torment is there were actually none? It's because universalism is false. Scripture teaches Truth. Denial isn't wise.
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    Life

    “St. John uses a very broad expression. ‘Jesus Christ,’ he says, ‘is the propitiation for our sins, and not for our only, but also for the sins of the whole world.’

    ‘The whole world. Ah,’ some would say, ‘that is dangerous language.’

    It is God’s language – John speaking as he was moved by the Holy Spirit.

    It throws a zone of mercy around the world. Perish the thought that would narrow it by a hand’s breadth.” - Thomas Guthrie-

    He is the Mercy Seat for the whole world

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    Not some of the world, the hilasmos of the holos!

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    Restoration (The Feast of Tabernacles)

    “The feast of tabernacles means the feast of in-gathering. It takes an eight day period to bring in the fullness of the in-gathering. Eight is the number of new beginnings in scripture or full restoration

    1 Corinthians 15 is the last chapter in the Bible. The fifteenth chapter clearly shows how great the totality of the feast of tabernacles will be.

    ‘As in Adam all die (every preacher will agree that all people are in Adam but few believe that the word all mean all in the second part of the verse) so in Christ all shall be made alive.’ Jesus is going to gather all together in Himself.

    He will have everyone in His nature.

    Everything that occurs, occurs in the plan and order of God. In 1 Corinthians 15 God shows that there are different orders. The highest order is Jesus Christ.

    Everything will, in time, be brought into Jesus Christ. All shall be gathered into Him. When this is done then Jesus, the Son, will turn all over to the Father. It is then we find that time ends, for God becomes All in all (verse 28). -Chas. Weller-

    God All & in all

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    “The God of benevolence, in whose hands sin and death are but instruments of everlasting good, and who, bringing all things ‘out of darkness into His marvelous light,’ proceeds watchfully, and unchangingly to the great, final object of His providence, the restoration of the whole human race to purity and happiness.” -Sir Thomas Moore-

    Restoration= Present progressive experience of being saved leading to being made righteous.

    John 3.16 N.T. Wright=

    God so loved that He gave....

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    Dear Mark: I know not what part of the radical all is evading your grasp, but the "bottomless pit" is NOT the final destination of our Father's sacred Purpose in Himself! He is!

    The whole (the radical all) of created life shall be delivered/ set free/ emancipated from the tyranny of change and decay...

    Are our broadest hopes broad enough? Shall there be a nook or abyss, in all the universe of God, finally unlightened by the cross.

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    The Mystery of God

    “Christ Jesus will deliver all mankind out of bondage.

    This I see to be a truth by testimony of Scripture, as God is pleased to teach me. But this mystery of God is not to be done all at once, but in several dispensations, some whereof are past, some are in being, and some are yet to come. The whole creation of mankind, which is God’s work, shall be delivered from corruption, bondage, death, and pain. Mankind shall be by Christ reconciled to his Maker and be made one in spirit with Him; i.e. the curse shall be removed, and the power of it killed and consumed.

    Truly this is according to the current of the whole Scriptures, that everyone shall be made of one heart and one spirit, i.e. that all shall be brought to obey the Father, walk humbly before Him, and live in peace and love in Him. This is the doctrine of Christ and the gospel. This is glad tidings to hear of. When you are made to enjoy this doctrine as yours, then you shall know what it is to know the Son, and what it is to be set free by the Son.” - Gerard Winstanley-

    God is the Source, Guide, Goal of the all/ the ta panta

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    From a letter to Dr. Phillip Doddridge from Henry J. Barker:

    “It is so. We read it in the book of God, that word and truth and gospel of our salvation, that as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

    Yes Doddridge, it is so. The fruit of our Redeemer’s sufferings and victory is the entire and eternal destruction of sin and death for everyone. And is it not a glorious destruction? A most blessed ruin? No enemy so formidable, no tyranny so bitter, no fetters so heavy and galling, no prison so dark and dismal, but they are vanquished and disarmed; the unerring dart is blunted and broken, the prison pulled down and razed. Our Lord is risen as the first fruits of them that slept.”

    Every created thing (pan ktisma).

    Every creature in a still wider antiphonal circle beyond the circle of angels (from ktizw, for which see 1 Timothy 4:4 ; James 1:18 ), from all the four great fields of life (in heaven, upon the earth, under the earth as in verse James 3 , with on the sea epi th qalassh added).

    No created thing is left out.

    This universal chorus of praise to Christ from all created life reminds one of the profound mystical passage in Romans 8:20-22 concerning the sympathetic agony of creation (ktisi) in hope of freedom from the bondage of corruption.

    If the trail of the serpent is on all creation, it will be ultimately thrown off. Saying (legonta). Masculine (construction according to sense, personifying the created things) if genuine, though some MSS. have legonta (grammatical gender agreeing with panta) present active participle of legw, to say. And to the Lamb (kai twi arniwi). Dative case. Praise and worship are rendered to the Lamb precisely as to God on the throne. Note separate articles here in the doxology as in Romans 4:11 and the addition of to krato (active power) in place of iscu (reserve of strength) in Romans 5:12 . -A.T. Robertson Word Pictures-

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    Sound Doctrine

    Universalism is an imaginary fable thought up by those who won't adhere to sound doctrine that is easily understood by those who are capable of reading and understanding Scripture. Those who won't hold to the doctrines outlined in The Holy Scriptures are liable to swallow anything.

    Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

    FineLinen: you have a whole HEAP of teachers who aren't capable of enduring sound doctrine, just like yourself. You need to repent and believe the Truth: all will NOT be saved. This could be your last warning. No one is promised to wake up tomorrow. You may be surprised to wake up in hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aimiel View Post

    FineLinen: you have a whole HEAP of teachers who aren't capable of enduring sound doctrine, just like yourself. You need to repent and believe the Truth: all will NOT be saved. This could be your last warning. No one is promised to wake up tomorrow. You may be surprised to wake up in hell.
    My boy, thank you for the warning. If I make my bed in hell, behold Thou are there.

    God is the Source, Guide and Goal of ta panta

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    The Nature of Evil

    Evil, being negative, as is punishment, neither can stand eternal. –John Scotus Erigena (Irish church leader, 875)

    Marie Huber, Swiss Protestant Theologian

    Reason teaches us that Good having a divine Principle, ought to be stronger than Evil, which is essentially nothing but Disorder and Depravation; that Evil putting man into a State of Violence, that State cannot continue for ever; that this State of Violence supposes its contrary in Man, struggling against it…that God being the God of Order, and the undoubted Sovereign of the Universe, can never consent that Disorder and Confusion should prevail there for ever.

    Hannah Hurnard

    How could the Bible possibly speak of the perfect victory of God our Creator who loves righteousness and cannot bear evil, if that victory really means that He cannot bring His own creatures at last to hate evil as He hates it, but must confirm multitudes, indeed the majority of them, in their choice of evil for ever and ever?... What sort of victory is it to be able only to subdue evil and prevent it harming any but those who choose it, and to be unable to bring human souls to abominate it and desire to forsake it, so that the evil itself ceases to exist?...

    Andrew Jukes

    To say that sin, assuming it to be opposed to God, has the power of creating a world antagonistic to God as everlasting as He is, attributes to it a power equal at least to His; since according to this view, souls whom God willed to be saved, and for whom Christ died, are held in bondage under the power of sin for ever; and all this in opposition to the Word of God, which says that God's Son was "manifested that He might destroy the works of the devil..."

    Thomas Allin (Christ Triumphant)

    To go on punishing for ever, simply for punishment's sake, shocks every sentiment of justice. And the case is so much worse when the punishment is really the prolongation of evil, when it is but making evil endless.

    Alison Rutherford Cockburn ( author of “Flowers of the Forest"

    The almighty maker of souls has various methods of restoring them to the divine image; it is impossible his power can fail; it is impossible for his image to be entirely obliterated; it is impossible that misery, sin, and discord can be eternal!

    Almighty power, wisdom and love cannot be eternally frustrated in his absolute and ultimate designs; therefore God will at last pardon and re-establish in happiness all lapsed beings. Chevalier Ramsey (1686-1743)

    Though a fall has been permitted, evil shall have an end, and the creature through God's wondrous wisdom even by its fall be raised to a higher glory. Scripture distinctly teaches that, "the creature was made subject to vanity, not by its own will, but through Him who subjected the same in hope; because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God."--Andrew Jukes, the Restitution of all Things, p 113

    Here is where I now stand. I believe in both heaven and hell. I do not believe they are equally balanced opposites going on forever. Such would suggest a Zoroastrian dualism, a tie game between God and the devil. Emphatically, NO! The darkness can never overcome the light! --Randy Klassen, "What Does the Bible Really Say About Hell?"

    It becomes morally impossible for all things to be both subject to Jesus Christ and yet sinfully rebellious against Him at the same time! --Charles P. Schmitt, "The Unending Triumph of Jesus Christ"

    If but one soul were to remain in the power of the devil, death, or hell, to all endless eternity, then the devil, death, and hell would have something to boast of against God. Thus death would not be entirely swallowed up in victory, but always keep something of his sting, and hell would ever more be able to make a scorn of those who would say, 'O hell, where is, your victory?'- The Everlasting Gospel -- Paul Seigvolck, 1753.

    V. Gelesnoff

    The current Evangelical Theology involves in its system belief in the deathlessness of sin, the indestructibility of error, and permanence of evil. That though there was a time in the history of the universe when sin in any shape or form did not exist, when no cry of pain or sense of guilt darkened the all-extensive bliss and holiness of creation, yet since sin has once effected an entrance into such a scene, it has come in NEVER TO GO OUT AGAIN, indestructible, unconquerable, ineradicable, endless. Absolute happiness and sinlessness have forever vanished like the phantom of a dream. The 'eternal state' is a universe endlessly finding room for myriads of souls rolling and writhing in the burning agonies of ceaseless flame, eternally sinful, vile and morally hideous. It pictures the "final perfection" yet to be attained as having room for a vast cesspool of immoral and degraded beings, continually existing in opposition to God.

    JUSTICE REQUIRES that sin should be put an end to. --George MacDonald
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