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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    You don't understand the fact that God takes full responsibility for the sins of his created beings. It is not our fault that we are sinners, Its Adam's fault. Eve was beguiled by the serpent and caused Adam to sin. God did not cause Adam to sin, but he takes full responsibility for his sins. This is why he sent Jesus into the world to save the world, 1 John 2:2.

    Jesus comes into the world to undo what Adam did. We are the sinners, we are the ones that should be crucified. But God doesn't punish us, instead he punishes our representative for our sins.
    Wait! What?
    You're not responsible for your wretched behavior, your putred thoughts, your depraved mind?
    Since the entire world is not saved, it seems that the god you serve is weak and mostly useless. Thankfully your god is not the God of Creation or the God of the cross. Your god is of this world. A creation from the figment of your imagination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Nope. A universalist believes that everyone will be saved regardless of what they do or believe.

    The Bible teaches that only those that have faith in Christ will be saved, Ephesians 2:8.
    The Bible says that God must make them alive in Christ and by grace give them the gift of faith. Ephesians 2:1-10.
    Once again you fail to read all of scripture and thus butcher Ephesians 2:8 with a pitiful man-centered interpretation. How did you get to be so bad at comprehension? I suspect you are born with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    This is why no one has been predestinated.
    Worth a read if you actually want to know the proper view of predestination, Robert:

    https://www.ligonier.org/blog/reform...redestination/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Nope. A universalist believes that everyone will be saved regardless of what they do or believe.

    The Bible teaches that only those that have faith in Christ will be saved, Ephesians 2:8.
    You teach that Christ died for sinners that are lost, hence denying the Saving efficacy of His death. That is no Gospel!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    Precisely !
    Once a person deprives Christs death and blood of its Saving efficacy, they deny the Gospel, and thats what pate does and everyone else who teach that Christ died for sinners that are lost !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Once a person deprives Christs death and blood of its Saving efficacy, they deny the Gospel, and thats what pate does and everyone else who teach that Christ died for sinners that are lost !

    Exactly, they deny the Gospel of the Grace of God 2 Tim. 1:9 which originates in Him and His Eternal Purpose in Christ before the world began 2 Tim. 1:9; Eph. 3:11, and instead teach the lie that God offers Grace to all men without exception, and by doing so, they demean the efficacy of Christ's Blood to depend on their own sinful will to accept it, by performing works of the flesh, i.e. believing, calling upon Him, etc. to produce saving effects.

    So in their Depraved mind, it's not Christ's Blood that Saves, but the works of the flesh they do Rom. 8:8, which is Antichrist !
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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    You teach that Christ died for sinners that are lost, hence denying the Saving efficacy of His death. That is no Gospel!

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    The Bible plainly teaches that Jesus has atoned for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2 also 1 John 4:14.

    You problem is that you don't believe the Bible, instead you believe the words of a heretic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
    Worth a read if you actually want to know the proper view of predestination, Robert:

    https://www.ligonier.org/blog/reform...redestination/

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    Another Gospeless view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intojoy View Post
    Adam was created holy, we were not.


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    No, Adam was created innocent. Only God is holy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nanja View Post
    Exactly, they deny the Gospel of the Grace of God 2 Tim. 1:9 which originates in Him and His Eternal Purpose in Christ before the world began 2 Tim. 1:9; Eph. 3:11, and instead teach the lie that God offers Grace to all men without exception, and by doing so, they demean the efficacy of Christ's Blood to depend on their own sinful will to accept it, by performing works of the flesh, i.e. believing, calling upon Him, etc. to produce saving effects.

    So in their Depraved mind, it's not Christ's Blood that Saves, but the works of the flesh they do Rom. 8:8, which is Antichrist !

    The Bible plainly teaches that salvation is a free gift from God that cannot be earned, deserved or imposed, Romans 5:15-18.

    You are in conflict with the word of God.

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    Exactly, they deny the Gospel of the Grace of God 2 Tim. 1:9 which originates in Him and His Eternal Purpose in Christ before the world began 2 Tim. 1:9; Eph. 3:11,
    So True


    and instead teach the lie that God offers Grace to all men without exception, and by doing so, they demean the efficacy of Christ's Blood to depend on their own sinful will to accept it, by performing works of the flesh, i.e. believing, calling upon Him, etc. to produce saving effects.
    Yes they want to contribute Salvation to the acts of men, thats anti gospel

    So in their Depraved mind, it's not Christ's Blood that Saves, but the works of the flesh they do Rom. 8:8, which is Antichrist !
    Exactly My Sister God has taught you well, Blessed be His Name !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    The Bible plainly teaches that Jesus has atoned for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2 also 1 John 4:14.

    You problem is that you don't believe the Bible, instead you believe the words of a heretic.
    You deny Christ as Savior since you teach and believe His Blood didn't save those He died for !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
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    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    The Bible plainly teaches that salvation is a free gift from God that cannot be earned, deserved or imposed, Romans 5:15-18.

    You are in conflict with the word of God.
    You the one teaching that sinners Christ died for are lost and perish !
    "... I have my own private opinion that there is no such a thing as
    preaching Christ and him crucified, unless you preach what now-a-days is
    called Calvinism. I have my own ideas, and those I always state boldly. It is
    a nickname to call it Calvinism; Calvinism is the gospel, and nothing else."

    Charles Spurgeon !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    The Bible plainly teaches that Jesus has atoned for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2 also 1 John 4:14.

    You problem is that you don't believe the Bible, instead you believe the words of a heretic.

    It's Pate who doesn't believe the Bible !


    The world in those verses 1 John 2:2; 1 John 4:14 can only mean the World of God's Elect,

    Rev. 5:9
    And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

    Rev. 14:6
    And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,


    Because other scriptures inform us of a world [kosmos] that was condemned already and remain under God's Wrath permanently.

    John 3:18, 36

    18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.



    But the World of God's Elect was never condemned.

    1 Cor. 11:32
    But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.
    My soul thirsts for God, the God Who Lives Forever:
    when shall I be brought in to see His Face? -Psalm 42:2

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