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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You have no understanding of any of the scriptures.

    Jesus is explaining that all need him and that those who don't repent will not get saved.

    The Pharisees didn't think they had to repent, even though Jesus said they didn't obey.
    I provide a direct passage proving you wrong and still you fight against the bit.
    May God have mercy on you and radically remove the blindness from your eyes. Unless God does so, you will spend eternity in hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    I provide a direct passage proving you wrong and still you fight against the bit.
    May God have mercy on you and radically remove the blindness from your eyes. Unless God does so, you will spend eternity in hell.
    You have a belief that is nowhere in the scriptures.
    God does not save those who do not repent.
    God does not make anyone repent.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You have a belief that is nowhere in the scriptures.
    God does not save those who do not repent.
    God does not make anyone repent.
    LOL, I have provided much scripture and you excuse it away. Unless God changes your heart, you will die in your sins and spend eternity in hell. This will be tragic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    LOL, I have provided much scripture and you excuse it away. Unless God changes your heart, you will die in your sins and spend eternity in hell. This will be tragic.
    You have not shown one scripture that says God saves unbelievers who do not repent.

    Show it now or concede.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Why should I change?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Predestination is a false Gospel.
    Do Calvinists present predestination as the gospel?

    I would have thought they would simply regard it as a theological point.

    Regardless, the Bible teaches that men are "predestined" in some fashion, so it would be best to use that word, but make clear your definition of it, as well as the context in which it is used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
    All of which begs the question I have been asking for years concerning your behavior, Robert. After being shown the door at all other web sites where you plied your stock and trade, you have shamelessly squatted here.

    You take the time to start a thread at a discussion site, then you refuse to engage in any substantive discussion of the responses received. Why do you start so many threads if all you intend is to just post something that pops into your head and move along? That is the very definition of blogging. Last time I checked, TOL is not a blogging environment. If you want to blog why not use the TOL Blog feature? You can post at your heart's content therein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You have not shown one scripture that says God saves unbelievers who do not repent.

    Show it now or concede.
    Sure I have. You just keep moving the goalposts whenever someone shows you are wrong. You show clear signs that you are not found in Christ. Your chains are still on. That is a pity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Do Calvinists present predestination as the gospel?

    I would have thought they would simply regard it as a theological point.

    Regardless, the Bible teaches that men are "predestined" in some fashion, so it would be best to use that word, but make clear your definition of it, as well as the context in which it is used.

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    God predestinated the nation of Israel. God also predestinated prophets and the apostles for the sole purpose of making known to the world his Son Jesus Christ. The whole Bible is about Jesus Christ. God was bringing forth a nation and a people from whom the savior of the world would come. There is no predestination without a purpose.

    God predestinated Jesus to be the savior of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. Jesus is God's new Adam and our new humanity. "If any man be "IN Christ" he is a new creation" 2 Corinthians 5:17. We become new creations by faith in Christ and his Gospel.

    God does not create robots. If you want to be saved you will have to call on Christ to save you, Romans 10:13.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You have no understanding of any of the scriptures.

    Jesus is explaining that all need him and that those who don't repent will not get saved.

    The Pharisees didn't think they had to repent, even though Jesus said they didn't obey.
    Great. Saul was a Pharisee on the road to Damascus with no repentance in his body when God stopped him cold and saved him. Your man-made philosophy is busted!

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    You have a belief that is nowhere in the scriptures.
    God does not save those who do not repent.
    God does not make anyone repent.
    LOL, you are a blind man, a deaf man and a spiritually dead man in desperate need of God's gracious choice. Unfortunately you are a Pharisee.

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    You have not shown one scripture that says God saves unbelievers who do not repent.

    Show it now or concede.
    Your blindness and pride condemn you. May God mercifully grab you and crush your self so that you are crucified with Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    Great. Saul was a Pharisee on the road to Damascus with no repentance in his body when God stopped him cold and saved him. Your man-made philosophy is busted!
    If Paul wanted to, could he have rejected Jesus' offer of salvation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    If Paul wanted to, could he have rejected Jesus' offer of salvation?

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    May I butt in?

    You are asking a Calvinist if Paul had a free will. Calvinist believe that no one has a free will. They believe that we are just a bunch of dumb robots that can't think for themselves. This thinking dishonors God and insults his Son Jesus Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    If Paul wanted to, could he have rejected Jesus' offer of salvation?

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    What does predestination, election and God's choice mean to you? This is what God wrote through Paul:
    Ephesians 1:4-6,11,14,18-23
    [4]Even before he made the world, God loved us and chose us in Christ to be holy and without fault in his eyes.
    [5]God decided in advance to adopt us into his own family by bringing us to himself through Jesus Christ. This is what he wanted to do, and it gave him great pleasure.
    [6]So we praise God for the glorious grace he has poured out on us who belong to his dear Son.
    [11]Furthermore, because we are united with Christ, we have received an inheritance from God, for he chose us in advance, and he makes everything work out according to his plan.
    [14]The Spirit is Godís guarantee that he will give us the inheritance he promised and that he has purchased us to be his own people. He did this so we would praise and glorify him.
    [18]I pray that your hearts will be flooded with light so that you can understand the confident hope he has given to those he calledóhis holy people who are his rich and glorious inheritance.
    [19]I also pray that you will understand the incredible greatness of Godís power for us who believe him. This is the same mighty power
    [20]that raised Christ from the dead and seated him in the place of honor at Godís right hand in the heavenly realms.
    [21]Now he is far above any ruler or authority or power or leader or anything elseónot only in this world but also in the world to come.
    [22]God has put all things under the authority of Christ and has made him head over all things for the benefit of the church.
    [23]And the church is his body; it is made full and complete by Christ, who fills all things everywhere with himself.

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