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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    According to scripture salvation has been provided for EVERYONE, Hebrews 2:9.

    Your problem and the problem with most Calvinist is that you don't believe the Bible. You would rather believe the heretic John Calvin.

    Your Calvinist God is a devisive and is a villain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    Not everyone wants to be saved. What makes you think that God is going to take people to heaven that don't want to be there?
    There you go. You undermine the blood of Christ and deny its Saving Efficacy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    According to scripture salvation has been provided for EVERYONE, Hebrews 2:9.

    Your problem and the problem with most Calvinist is that you don't believe the Bible. You would rather believe the heretic John Calvin.

    Your Calvinist God is a devisive and is a villain.
    Again you deny that Christ death alone saved all for whom He tasted death for Heb 2:9

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    Quote Originally Posted by beloved57 View Post
    Again you deny that Christ death alone saved all for whom He tasted death for Heb 2:9

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    God does no create robots. If you want to be saved you will have to call on Christ to save you.

    "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED" Romans 10:13.

    How much plainer can it be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
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    The word "predestination" only appears in the New Testament 4 times. None of the 4 words are related to being predestinated to eternal life. It does not appear in the Old Testament at all, simply because in the Old Testament they were justified by faith, same as the New Testament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    God does no create robots. If you want to be saved you will have to call on Christ to save you.

    "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED" Romans 10:13.

    How much plainer can it be.
    Its very dishonoring to Christ and His precious Blood to teach that He died for people that will be lost !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    God does no create robots. If you want to be saved you will have to call on Christ to save you.

    "Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord SHALL BE SAVED" Romans 10:13.

    How much plainer can it be.
    Only the elect will call on the Lord because God made them alive in Christ.
    You ignore Romans 3 at your peril.
    Romans 3:3-28
    [3]True, some of them were unfaithful; but just because they were unfaithful, does that mean God will be unfaithful?
    [4]Of course not! Even if everyone else is a liar, God is true. As the Scriptures say about him, “You will be proved right in what you say, and you will win your case in court.”
    [5]“But,” some might say, “our sinfulness serves a good purpose, for it helps people see how righteous God is. Isn’t it unfair, then, for him to punish us?” (This is merely a human point of view.)
    [6]Of course not! If God were not entirely fair, how would he be qualified to judge the world?
    [7]“But,” someone might still argue, “how can God condemn me as a sinner if my dishonesty highlights his truthfulness and brings him more glory?”
    [8]And some people even slander us by claiming that we say, “The more we sin, the better it is!” Those who say such things deserve to be condemned.
    [9]Well then, should we conclude that we Jews are better than others? No, not at all, for we have already shown that all people, whether Jews or Gentiles, are under the power of sin.
    [10]As the Scriptures say, “No one is righteous— not even one.
    [11]No one is truly wise; no one is seeking God.
    [12]All have turned away; all have become useless. No one does good, not a single one.”
    [13]“Their talk is foul, like the stench from an open grave. Their tongues are filled with lies.” “Snake venom drips from their lips.”
    [14]“Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”
    [15]“They rush to commit murder.
    [16]Destruction and misery always follow them.
    [17]They don’t know where to find peace.”
    [18]“They have no fear of God at all.”
    [19]Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God.
    [20]For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are.
    [21]But now God has shown us a way to be made right with him without keeping the requirements of the law, as was promised in the writings of Moses and the prophets long ago.
    [22]We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.
    [23]For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard.
    [24]Yet God freely and graciously declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins.
    [25]For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past,
    [26]for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus.
    [27]Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on obeying the law. It is based on faith.
    [28]So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    Only the elect will call on the Lord because God made them alive in Christ.
    You ignore Romans 3 at your peril.
    Romans 3:3-28
    [3]True, some of them were unfaithful; but just because they were unfaithful, does that mean God will be unfaithful?
    [4]Of course not! Even if everyone else is a liar, God is true. As the Scriptures say about him, “You will be proved right in what you say, and you will win your case in court.”
    [5]“But,” some might say, “our sinfulness serves a good purpose, for it helps people see how righteous God is. Isn’t it unfair, then, for him to punish us?” (This is merely a human point of view.)
    [6]Of course not! If God were not entirely fair, how would he be qualified to judge the world?
    [7]“But,” someone might still argue, “how can God condemn me as a sinner if my dishonesty highlights his truthfulness and brings him more glory?”
    [8]And some people even slander us by claiming that we say, “The more we sin, the better it is!” Those who say such things deserve to be condemned.
    [9]Well then, should we conclude that we Jews are better than others? No, not at all, for we have already shown that all people, whether Jews or Gentiles, are under the power of sin.
    [10]As the Scriptures say, “No one is righteous— not even one.
    [11]No one is truly wise; no one is seeking God.
    [12]All have turned away; all have become useless. No one does good, not a single one.”
    [13]“Their talk is foul, like the stench from an open grave. Their tongues are filled with lies.” “Snake venom drips from their lips.”
    [14]“Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”
    [15]“They rush to commit murder.
    [16]Destruction and misery always follow them.
    [17]They don’t know where to find peace.”
    [18]“They have no fear of God at all.”
    [19]Obviously, the law applies to those to whom it was given, for its purpose is to keep people from having excuses, and to show that the entire world is guilty before God.
    [20]For no one can ever be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are.
    [21]But now God has shown us a way to be made right with him without keeping the requirements of the law, as was promised in the writings of Moses and the prophets long ago.
    [22]We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ. And this is true for everyone who believes, no matter who we are.
    [23]For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard.
    [24]Yet God freely and graciously declares that we are righteous. He did this through Christ Jesus when he freed us from the penalty for our sins.
    [25]For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past,
    [26]for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus.
    [27]Can we boast, then, that we have done anything to be accepted by God? No, because our acquittal is not based on obeying the law. It is based on faith.
    [28]So we are made right with God through faith and not by obeying the law.

    All Calvinist are lost because of their negative view of the nature and character of God and his Son Jesus Christ.

    To believe that God predestinates people to hell is a terrible thing to believe about God and is blaspheme. And then to believe that Jesus only atoned for some sins and not all sins is also blaspheme. We are saved and justified by faith, faith in God and faith in Jesus. It is not possible to believe the things that Calvinist believe about God and his Son Jesus Christ and be saved. It is just not going to happen. Unfortunately you will have to find that out in the judgment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    As long as you continue to deny that Jesus is the savior of the WHOLE WORLD, you will remain in darkness, John 12:47, plus many other scriptures.

    As long as you continue to deny that salvation has been provided for everyone, you will remain in darkness, Hebrews 2:9, plus many other scriptures.

    It is not good to build a theology on one scripture such as Romans 8:30. The whole New Testament teaches that salvation is by grace through faith, Ephesians 2:8 plus many other scriptures.

    All of the prophets and the apostles were predestinated by God for the sole purpose of making known to the world the purpose of his Son Jesus Christ. THERE IS NO PREDESTINATION WITHOUT A PURPOSE. If Calvinist were preaching the Gospel then it might be different, unfortunately most Calvinist don't know what the Gospel is, much less preach it.

    You are not able to answer this question. If Jesus has ALREADY reconciled the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:19, then why does anyone need to be predestinated?
    Well, I thought I would make an effort to engage you, Robert, in hopes you had changed your ways. Clearly, it is not going to happen. You continue to evade the clearly made points in responses, never directly engaging them substantively, moving the goal posts and hoping no one will notice. I have answered all your usual Scripture appeals several times in the past. Just teeing them up all over again as if you have not been answered does not alter the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ask Mr. Religion View Post
    Well, I thought I would make an effort to engage you, Robert, in hopes you had changed your ways. Clearly, it is not going to happen. You continue to evade the clearly made points in responses, never directly engaging them substantively, moving the goal posts and hoping no one will notice. I have answered all your usual Scripture appeals several times in the past. Just teeing them up all over again as if you have not been answered does not alter the facts.

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    I am resting in Christ and his Gospel, Hebrews 4:10. Why should I change? You want me to rest and trust in the words of a heretic from the 1500's.

    What you believe about God and his Son Jesus Christ is what will probably condemn you to hell. You believe that God is some sort of a tyrant that delights in sending people to hell for no reason, other than that is what he does. And then you don't believe that Jesus has atoned for the sins of the world. It appears to me that you have 0 faith in Christ and his Gospel. The God that you believe in is not the God of the Bible, instead it is the God of the heretic John Calvin.

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    Pate, listen to what the scriptures, the Word of God saith.

    God sends some to the Lake of Fire because they are not Christ's Sheep He died for John 10:11,15.

    But they are goats, children of the devil, the tares which were cursed and are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of the world.


    Mat. 13:38-40

    38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

    39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

    40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

    41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

    42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

    43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

    Mat. 25:31
    When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

    33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

    34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

    41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

    46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    All Calvinist are lost because of their negative view of the nature and character of God and his Son Jesus Christ.

    To believe that God predestinates people to hell is a terrible thing to believe about God and is blaspheme. And then to believe that Jesus only atoned for some sins and not all sins is also blaspheme. We are saved and justified by faith, faith in God and faith in Jesus. It is not possible to believe the things that Calvinist believe about God and his Son Jesus Christ and be saved. It is just not going to happen. Unfortunately you will have to find that out in the judgment.
    What I notice in this diatribe is that you have absolutely no scriptural support.
    Your words are empty of substance.
    Contrary to your claims, a person who accepts the Bible's statements on predestination, election and God's Sovereign choice is a person with a high view of God.
    We realize that apart from being in Christ, we are wretched and poor. It is solely by the wonderously, amazing grace of God that we have any fellowship with our Creator. He has done everything for us. He has adopted us. He has redeemed us. He has reconciled us. He has plucked us from death to life. He has justified us by Christ alone. He is sanctifying us unto Himself. He is Great and He is Glorious. Unto Him be all glory, power and dominion. We fall at His feet, amazed by His mercy and Grace.
    These are things you know nothing about, Robert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    What I notice in this diatribe is that you have absolutely no scriptural support.
    Your words are empty of substance.
    Contrary to your claims, a person who accepts the Bible's statements on predestination, election and God's Sovereign choice is a person with a high view of God.
    We realize that apart from being in Christ, we are wretched and poor. It is solely by the wonderously, amazing grace of God that we have any fellowship with our Creator. He has done everything for us. He has adopted us. He has redeemed us. He has reconciled us. He has plucked us from death to life. He has justified us by Christ alone. He is sanctifying us unto Himself. He is Great and He is Glorious. Unto Him be all glory, power and dominion. We fall at His feet, amazed by His mercy and Grace.
    These are things you know nothing about, Robert.
    Those with good and honest hearts are those who get saved.

    Luke 8:15 “… these are the ones who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance.”
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    Those with good and honest hearts are those who get saved.

    Luke 8:15 “… these are the ones who have heard the word in an honest and good heart, and hold it fast, and bear fruit with perseverance.”
    Luke 5:30-32
    [30]But the Pharisees and their teachers of religious law complained bitterly to Jesus’ disciples, “Why do you eat and drink with such scum?”
    [31]Jesus answered them, “Healthy people don’t need a doctor—sick people do.
    [32]I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners and need to repent.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    Luke 5:30-32
    [30]But the Pharisees and their teachers of religious law complained bitterly to Jesus’ disciples, “Why do you eat and drink with such scum?”
    [31]Jesus answered them, “Healthy people don’t need a doctor—sick people do.
    [32]I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners and need to repent.”
    You have no understanding of any of the scriptures.

    Jesus is explaining that all need him and that those who don't repent will not get saved.

    The Pharisees didn't think they had to repent, even though Jesus said they didn't obey.
    Oh how I love the Word of God!

    Do not just read the word do it.

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