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    The faith alone crowd makes Paul the worst heretic ever.
    They teach that Paul came with another gospel.
    Shudder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    The faith alone crowd makes Paul the worst heretic ever.
    They teach that Paul came with another gospel.
    Shudder.
    You don't understand the Gospel and justification by faith apart from the works of the law.

    Justification by faith alone means that we are justified by Christ alone.

    Jesus is God's justifier.

    "To declare, I say, at this time HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS: that he might be just and the justifier of him that believes in Jesus" Romans 3:26.

    Keeping the commandments will not save or justify you. What it will do is put you under the law and condemn you, Galatians 3:10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    You don't understand the Gospel and justification by faith apart from the works of the law.
    The works of the law that justified are the purification/ceremonial works.
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    Justification by faith alone means that we are justified by Christ alone.
    That means we don't have to get circumcised it doesn't mean we don't have to obey.
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    Jesus is God's justifier.

    "To declare, I say, at this time HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS: that he might be just and the justifier of him that believes in Jesus" Romans 3:26.

    Keeping the commandments will not save or justify you. What it will do is put you under the law and condemn you, Galatians 3:10.
    Obeying Jesus, the Word of God saves. Doing the old justification works of the old law does not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    The works of the law that justified are the purification/ceremonial works.

    That means we don't have to get circumcised it doesn't mean we don't have to obey.


    Obeying Jesus, the Word of God saves. Doing the old justification works of the old law does not.

    That's ridiculous. There is only one law, it is called "God's Law" it covers every facet of one's life. It is one unit and not different categories. James said that if you fail in one part of the law you have failed the whole thing, James 2:10.

    Whether it be ceremonial or purification it is still the law and is binding on everyone, except Christians. Christians are not under the law nor are they subject to it. Those that live by it and try to obey it are under a curse, Galatians 3:10.

    Your problem is that you have never come to Christ to be saved by him, instead you are trying to be good enough by obeying the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    That's ridiculous. There is only one law, it is called "God's Law" it covers every facet of one's life. It is one unit and not different categories. James said that if you fail in one part of the law you have failed the whole thing, James 2:10.

    Whether it be ceremonial or purification it is still the law and is binding on everyone, except Christians. Christians are not under the law nor are they subject to it. Those that live by it and try to obey it are under a curse, Galatians 3:10.

    Your problem is that you have never come to Christ to be saved by him, instead you are trying to be good enough by obeying the law.
    Right.
    James did not separate the law into sections.

    Not to mention that Jesus Himself said He did not come to do away with the law, not one jot or title of it.
    So His coming to be a sacrifice did not do away with any part of the law at all.

    "The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name." Exodus 15:3

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    That's ridiculous. There is only one law, it is called "God's Law" it covers every facet of one's life.
    You need to explain why you want to go against the one law of believe and obey God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post

    It is one unit and not different categories. James said that if you fail in one part of the law you have failed the whole thing, James 2:10.
    I have explained this to you many times.
    You misunderstand James, but you are so ensnared by Satan that you won't speak about it further.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post

    Your problem is that you have never come to Christ to be saved by him, instead you are trying to be good enough by obeying the law.
    You are merely saying the same learned falseness as always.

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    Robert Pate brought up James.
    Pate never ever has discussed this deeply with me besides saying the same evil ensnared mess as he always does.
    You are ensnared Pate.

    The royal law of love your neighbor is only accomplished by obeying the whole law.

    If you do not obey and you steal from your neighbor is that love?

    Let's start with the 'do not steal' command.

    Answer the question deaf dumb and blind man; can you steal and still love your neighbor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Right.
    James did not separate the law into sections.

    Not to mention that Jesus Himself said He did not come to do away with the law, not one jot or title of it.
    So His coming to be a sacrifice did not do away with any part of the law at all.
    Good grief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    The royal law of love your neighbor is only accomplished by obeying the whole law.
    Joshua 24
    [19]Then Joshua warned the people, “You are not able to serve the lord, for he is a holy and jealous God. He will not forgive your rebellion and your sins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    Joshua 24
    [19]Then Joshua warned the people, “You are not able to serve the lord, for he is a holy and jealous God. He will not forgive your rebellion and your sins.
    That is about not making statues and bowing to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    That is about not making statues and bowing to them.
    That is about failure to follow the entire law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MennoSota View Post
    That is about failure to follow the entire law.
    No, it is not.

    It is about not stealing and killing and committing adultery with you neighbor is how you love your neighbor.
    Last edited by God's Truth; July 19th, 2018 at 05:54 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tambora View Post
    Right.
    James did not separate the law into sections.

    Not to mention that Jesus Himself said He did not come to do away with the law, not one jot or title of it.
    So His coming to be a sacrifice did not do away with any part of the law at all.

    The Bible plainly teaches that for the Christian the law has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14, Romans 10:4, 2 Corinthians 3:13.

    Where there is law there is judgment and condemnation. "There is now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus" Romans 8:1.

    There is no judgment and condemnation because there is no law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth View Post
    No, it is not.

    It is about not stealing and killing and commuting adultery with you neighbor is how you love your neighbor.
    You stated that a person must keep "all" the law. Joshua states that Israel could not and would not do so (despite their claim that they would). Therefore it is impossible to keep the entire law. No person can be so self-righteous that they can enter heaven by their own merit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Pate View Post
    The Bible plainly teaches that for the Christian the law has been abolished, Ephesians 2:15, Colossians 2:14, Romans 10:4, 2 Corinthians 3:13.

    Where there is law there is judgment and condemnation. "There is now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus" Romans 8:1.

    There is no judgment and condemnation because there is no law.
    If the law was done away with (which Jesus specifically says He did not come to do), then there is no law to judge anyone.

    "The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name." Exodus 15:3

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