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    A lot of teen age criminals use the same excuse. "It's your fault, you made me do it. If you had just(whatever they wanted from their parents) I wouldn't have done (whatever crime they did)."

    The only difference is, supposedly adult people are now using the same excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    I'm sure it didn't scare you in the least when Obama sent out his secret police to spy on his political opponents.
    Show use that. Checkable sources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Show use that. Checkable sources.
    How about CNN, the Clinton News Network?:

    "The federal government has been caught spying on journalists in the past. The Obama administration has used the Espionage Act to hunt down whistleblowers who leaked to journalists more than all previous presidential administrations combined, according to several studies by news organizations.

    Federal agents spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen, tracking his movements, emails and phone records after he published classified information about North Korea in 2010. Agents also spied on two months of phone records from The Associated Press in 2013.

    In the aftermath of these two embarrassing cases, the Obama administration touted new, more restricted guidelines in chasing the leak of classified information to journalists. Attorney General Eric Holder held a well-publicized meeting with editors in 2013 to say the Justice Department would change it ways."

    There is much more:


    The only reason that Obama would ever dare do these dastardly things is because he knew that not only the mainstream press but people like you will defend these crimanal acts.

    The Dems are the party of lawlessness and you defend them.

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    (claims of spying on political opponents)

    Barbarian suggests:
    Show us that. Checkable sources.

    (Jerry has none, but notes surveillance of federal employees who were whistle blowers)

    In the aftermath of these two embarrassing cases, the Obama administration touted new, more restricted guidelines in chasing the leak of classified information to journalists. Attorney General Eric Holder held a well-publicized meeting with editors in 2013 to say the Justice Department would change it ways."
    So you're telling us about the Obama administration changing policies to protect whistle blowers, but you haven't shown us anything about spying on political opponents. For reasons everyone understands.

    Thanks for making that clear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    ‘My son is not the same’
    I guess the lowlife dirtbags should not have dragged their kid to a foreign country while they committed a federal crime then!!

    These jerks can all go rot in hell - come to MY country, commit a crime, then complain that you kid is being housed and fed?

    And on top of that we have to listen to your pathetic sniveling and crying?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    I guess the lowlife dirtbags should not have dragged their kid to a foreign country while they committed a federal crime then!!

    These jerks can all go rot in hell - come to MY country, commit a crime, then complain that you kid is being housed and fed?

    And on top of that we have to listen to your pathetic sniveling and crying?

    You don't have to read a single post of mine, you can put me on ignore. If you read anyway and makes you miserable - great.
    So keep your candles burning

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    You don't have to read a single post of mine, you can put me on ignore. If you read anyway and makes you miserable - great.
    Right back attcha'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    I'm sure it didn't scare you in the least when Obama sent out his secret police to spy on his political opponents.
    Actually yes it did but to me, that is a separate matter unless you are saying that any wrongs the current administration is doing do not matter because the previous administration did wrongs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
    Actually yes it did but to me, that is a separate matter unless you are saying that any wrongs the current administration is doing do not matter because the previous administration did wrongs.
    The current administration is doing nothing wrong at all. Unless you want to throw kids in jail cells with parents who commit crimes then they get separated.

    And yes, they are committing a crime.

    And no, they are not asylum seekers because they are not fleeing political persecution or some sort of persecution from an authoritarian regime.

    They are criminals. They came here, committed a crime, and dragged their kids into it, and now they got separated. Its all their own fault.

    8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

    (a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
    Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    Right back attcha'
    Not really - I'm not the least bit miserable.
    So keep your candles burning

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Not really - I'm not the least bit miserable.
    I know. You lie with great ease and comfort. I am here to expose those lies, and I enjoy that thoroughly.

    I was referring to the fact that you too can place ME on ignore. But I hope you don't

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    I know. You lie with great ease and comfort. I am here to expose those lies, and I enjoy that thoroughly.

    I was referring to the fact that you too can place ME on ignore. But I hope you don't

    You're the one who was complaining you "had to listen," I was just trying to help you out of your misery.


    But no, I won't stop telling the truth about TrumPutin and his merry band of sycophants and spineless toadies.
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    While you weep for your illegal alien criminals, I'll save my weeping for this:


    REPORT: Illegal Aliens Brutally Murder Border Patrol Agent, Crushed His Skull With Rocks
    “Our agents’ reports from the ground say that he was struck in the head multiple times with a rock or rocks.”
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/23773...-ryan-saavedra

    New details have emerged about the United States Border Patrol agent who was killed in the line of duty on Sunday while patrolling an area near the U.S.-Mexico border in Texas.

    Agent Rogelio Martinez, 36, died after suffering severe injuries he sustained while responding to an incident in the Big Bend Sector, U.S. Customs and Border Protection reported.

    Border Patrol Agent Brandon Judd, who is also president of the National Border Patrol Council (NBPC), told Brandon Darby and Ildefonso Ortiz that initial reports from other Border Patrol agents were that Martinez was murdered by illegal aliens that he was tracking.

    “What we know is that Border Patrol Agent Rogilio Martinez appears to have been ambushed by a group of illegal aliens whom he was tracking,” Judd said. “Our agents’ reports from the ground say that he was struck in the head multiple times with a rock or rocks.”

    Another Border Patrol agent arrived on scene shortly after and was also reportedly ambushed by illegal aliens who attacked him with rocks.

    “The other agent arrived on scene a short time later and was also ambushed and struck in the head with what is believed to have been a rock or rocks. These disgusting acts and complete disregard for human life need to stop immediately. Family members of slain Agent Martinez will never get to see him come home again all because we have failed to secure our borders from such criminals.”

    President Donald Trump responded by immediately calling for the border wall to be built and said those who were responsible will be brought to justice
    ........(SNIP)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader View Post
    The current administration is doing nothing wrong at all. Unless you want to throw kids in jail cells with parents who commit crimes then they get separated.

    And yes, they are committing a crime.

    And no, they are not asylum seekers because they are not fleeing political persecution or some sort of persecution from an authoritarian regime.

    They are criminals. They came here, committed a crime, and dragged their kids into it, and now they got separated. Its all their own fault.

    8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien

    (a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
    Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
    Whether they are found to actually be valid asylum seekers, they have a right under both US and International law to apply for it and have the case heard. First time crossing of the border is a misdemeanor. Previous administrations dealt with this problem in a manner that kept families together and ensured that most appeared for their hearings and subsequent deportation as necessary.

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    FBI: No foul play in death of Border Patrol agent


    EL PASO — A Border Patrol agent whose death in November fueled President Trump's calls for a border wall appears to have died in an wreck, according to FBI findings released Wednesday.

    Border Patrol Agent Rogelio Martinez, 36, was found dying at the bottom of a roadside culvert Nov. 18 along a span of Interstate 10 in West Texas. Within hours, union officials said they believed Martinez had been ambushed by smugglers in a rock attack.

    The agent's death became a political flash point less than a day later when Trump tweeted that Martinez had been "killed" and his assailants would be brought to justice.

    But the FBI said it has found no evidence of a homicide, despite mobilizing significant resources involving 37 field offices to investigate Martinez's death.

    "To date, this investigation has not conclusively determined how Agent Martinez and his partner ended up at the bottom of the culvert and no suspects have been linked to this incident," the report said.

    "None of the more than 650 interviews completed, locations searched or evidence collected and analyzed have produced evidence that would support the existence of a scuffle, altercation or attack on Nov. 18, 2017," the report added.

    An autopsy report released Tuesday by the El Paso County Medical Examiner's Office confirmed that Martinez died of blunt injuries to the head, but it listed the manner of death as "undetermined."

    Another agent, Stephen Garland, also was found injured nearby with serious head injuries and other trauma. Investigators have said he cannot recall details about what happened.

    But the FBI findings include previously undisclosed details about the moments immediately after the agents were injured and Garland radioed for help.

    In his distress call, Garland told the dispatcher: "We ran into a culvert," "I ran into a culvert" or "I think I ran into a culvert," the report said.
    In the course of its investigation, the FBI said, it identified several individuals in New Mexico with potential ties to the case. They have been charged with offenses involving the "smuggling of an alien," but the agency said they are not suspects in the investigation of Martinez's death.

    Judy Melinek, a San Francisco forensic pathologist who reviewed Martinez's autopsy report at the request of The Washington Post, said the injuries described in the report were more consistent with an accident or fall than an assault.

    Melinek stressed that the report contains limited information, and she didn't have access to photos, X-rays and other materials available to the El Paso medical examiner who performed the autopsy.

    "He doesn't have injuries on his back and front. He doesn't have injuries on both sides of his body. They are all on the right side and in line with each other. There are also no defensive injuries on the arms or hands," she said. "The absence of defensive injuries and a single plane of injury is more consistent with an accident than a homicide."

    Backers of Trump's plans for a border wall have continued to insist Martinez was murdered and challenged others who have cast doubt on the version of the event advanced by union officials.
    So keep your candles burning

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