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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    As you well know, there are multiple answers to that, depending on what denomination you're talking to. But once a person has been baptized/accepted Christ as personal savior, whether OSAS or predestined or capable or incapable of sin based on their view of grace - they're a Christian. You don't get to take that away from them because in your mind they couldn't possibly be Christian while at the same time getting an abortion. They're Christian if they say they are, and you're unable to read their souls to say otherwise.
    The fruit gives them away.....no?
    Even in the very best of situations, voting is still an unmitigated failure. The fact that any simple majority of individuals (mob) can determine an outcome that adversely affects the minority (mob rule) is against all natural rights. In the United State today, all who vote harm others so that they might benefit. By voting, they are also sanctioning theft of private property at the point of a gun, and the redistribution of that property to those who did not earn it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    The fruit gives them away.....no?
    If that were the litmus, a lot of people on TOL who claim to be Christian - wouldn't be, based on their posts.

    Take the OSAS - what do you do about them? Or the 'gospel of grace' people who don't think they can sin?

    I'm a baptized Catholic. Even were I to commit a mortal sin like getting an abortion ( I've never had an abortion), I would still be a Catholic Christian, albeit one not in a state of grace.

    My point is that if 70% of women getting abortions identify as Christians, then Christians need to quit looking at those getting abortions as 'others' and understand that they need to do far more to help their own fellow believers, and they can start by not shaming them into a secret abortion so they don't have to face their families and their church community. Shame is a very real driver of abortion, take a look at the article I linked to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Shame is a very real driver of abortion, take a look at the article I linked to.
    Exactly. Abortion is always wrong. All pregnant women should be supported ... NEVER shamed. It's one or the other. Shaming promotes abortion.
    As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes."
    When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics."
    When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty
    -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Ok, what makes a christian a christian?
    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    As you well know, there are multiple answers to that, depending on what denomination you're talking to.
    i.e. Christianity can be anything that you want it to be.

    But once a person has been baptized/accepted Christ as personal savior, whether OSAS or predestined or capable or incapable of sin based on their view of grace - they're a Christian. You don't get to take that away from them because in your mind they couldn't possibly be Christian while at the same time getting an abortion. They're Christian if they say they are, and you're unable to read their souls to say otherwise.

    Matthew 7: 15-17
    Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    i.e. Christianity can be anything that you want it to be.
    How about if you locked a Calvinist, a Catholic, a MADist, a Pentecostal, an ECUSA Episcopalian, a Baptist, a Greek Orthodox, a member of the Emergent Church, and a member of a Community/Non denominational Church in a room and didn't let them out until they reached consensus? (Did I leave out any major group?)

    What do you think that consensus would look like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior View Post
    i.e. Christianity can be anything that you want it to be.

    Matthew 7: 15-17
    Interesting verse. Do you believe Trump is a Christian? OR actually pro-life? Personally, I believe he used the label and platform to get elected and continues to use the platform to stay in office.
    As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes."
    When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics."
    When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty
    -- to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Cultural Christians are still Christians...


    to a non-Christian like you, sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    to a non-Christian like you, sure

    ^ Exhibit A.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rusha View Post
    Exactly. Abortion is always wrong. All pregnant women should be supported ... NEVER shamed. It's one or the other. Shaming promotes abortion.

    What if their pregnancy was the result of shameful behavior?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    What if their pregnancy was the result of shameful behavior?
    What if their fear of your shame caused them to get a secret abortion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    The fruit gives them away.....no?

    Anna doesn't recognize the fruits of the Spirit - she's a typical " nicer than God" type

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    How about a Christian who gets an abortion and then repents of their sin?


    Were they a Christian before the abortion, temporarily not a Christian at the time of the abortion, and then a Christian again after they repent? Or do they have to get saved twice? Once before and once after?
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    What if their fear of your shame caused them to get a secret abortion?
    Then they're guilty of murder and should be executed

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    Then they're guilty of murder and should be executed

    Then you were complicit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    What if their fear of your shame caused them to ....

    .... avoid shameful behaviors?

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