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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    If the right person is appointed to the bench and the right kind of case is brought before the Supreme Court it can be overturned. And should be overturned.
    It would be nice if we all agreed about what to do, before "we" went ahead and did anything though. And this applies as equally to abortion, as it does to gun control.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post

    "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man"
    (Gen.9:6).
    Right, of course, but, what about when the fetus is so young that they don't even have blood yet? Then it wouldn't technically be shed blood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    If the right person is appointed to the bench and the right kind of case is brought before the Supreme Court it can be overturned. And should be overturned.

    "Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man"
    (Gen.9:6).



    I agree it's possible, but from what I understand it wouldn't just be Roe v Wade, the Court would also have to have reconsider PP v Casey. At any rate, my point is that if decisions on abortion rights were handed back to the states, the GOP would face a political minefield in which they'd have to actually walk their talk, which may or may not keep them in office, since a majority don't want to see Roe overturned (including 43% of Republicans), according to a recent Kaiser poll. Gallup also showed a majority favored at least some abortion access. And it goes without saying that this will galvanize pro-choice voters.

    But back to the part of my post you ignored: if 70% of women getting abortions identify as Christians, and yet Christians are largely the front line of the defense of life, how do you reconcile the dichotomy? Because when those Christians are casting their private ballots, I don't see how you can expect they'll line up behind a ban on abortion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    ...if 70% of women getting abortions identify as Christians, and yet Christians are largely the front line of the defense of life, how do you reconcile the dichotomy? Because when those Christians are casting their private ballots, I don't see how you can expect they'll line up behind a ban on abortion.
    It would not be the first time Christians'd be guilty of hypocrisy. But also, it wouldn't be entirely un-Christian to think of legal abortion as structural scandal, that actually results in more and more mothers choosing what they otherwise would freely not choose, if it were not so easy to get an abortion.

    Kind of like gun haters arguing about making it more difficult to access assault weapons. Gun haters think easier access to assault weapons = more murders. So maybe some of those Christian moms who opt for abortions, when their lives aren't in any danger from the pregnancy, will vote for an abortion ban for similar reasons as gun haters do for gun control.
    "Those who believe in Christ" are all the Christians, Catholic or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    But back to the part of my post you ignored: if 70% of women getting abortions identify as Christians...
    A large majority of those claiming to be Christians are not born again so claiming to be a Christian means nothing.

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    I suspect they are "cultural christians", raised in the environment but with no connection to God

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    A large majority of those claiming to be Christians are not born again so claiming to be a Christian means nothing.

    Using the "no true Christian" fallacy is way too convenient.

    The fact that they identify as Christians isn't nothing, it's everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post

    The fact that they identify as Christians isn't nothing, it's everything.
    To a non-Christian like you, perhaps

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    A large majority of those claiming to be Christians are not born again so claiming to be a Christian means nothing.
    But "claiming" to be born again means something? Some sort of magic words? How does that make any sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    But "claiming" to be born again means something? Some sort of magic words? How does that make any sense?
    The magic works like this:

    If a Christian voted for prop 8, supported Kim Davis, shouted "build the wall!" prayed outside abortion clinics, and considered everyone left of Attila the Hun a "leftist," then they're a real Christian.

    If a Christian has obtained an abortion, they're not a real Christian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    The magic works like this:

    If a Christian voted for prop 8, supported Kim Davis, shouted "build the wall!" prayed outside abortion clinics, and considered everyone left of Attila the Hun a "leftist," then they're a real Christian.

    If a Christian has obtained an abortion, they're not a real Christian.
    again, not surprising that a non-Christian like you doesn't get it

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    again, not surprising that a non-Christian like you doesn't get it
    Not surprising you would be one of the magicians giving that magic a workout...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonahdog View Post
    But "claiming" to be born again means something? Some sort of magic words?
    Straight from the Bible.

    They will be known by their fruit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Straight from the Bible.

    They will be known by their fruit.
    it's tragic that we live in a society that tells young people to reject God and that it's ok to embrace evil

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    The fact that they identify as Christians isn't nothing, it's everything.
    Silly!

    "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" (Mt.7:22-23).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Silly!

    "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" (Mt.7:22-23).

    It's not judgment day yet, Jerry. Right now, they identify as Christians. Christians (all denoms, including my own, whether or not sod approves) need to look at their own glass houses and try to understand where they're failing these girls and women before talking about the millions of aborted lives as if they were separate and apart from their own churches.
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