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    Quote Originally Posted by binyamin7 View Post
    They all wanted one a couple decades ago. However that party has been compromised.
    They never wanted one. Periodically it only sounded good to say so and now it doesnt.
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    So much of the land along the Rio Grande is privately owned. It seems Texas landowners are not pleased with the idea of the government taking their land for Trump's wall and even worse cut off their water rights to the river. Texas landowners are preparing for legal fights that may tie up the eminent domain cases for years.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...nt-domain-over
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    They never wanted one. Periodically it only sounded good to say so and now it doesnt.
    I won't argue that. Either way they are compromised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Lamm was being sarcastic when he claimed that the Liberal Agenda was his plan.
    That does not mean that he was not serious in his claim that the Liberal Agenda would destroy America.
    Gee, another yahoo inventing horrible ideas and declaring that the people he hates, believe them. A modern adaptation of the blood libel.
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    So who is Trump saying will pay for the wall today?
    “To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    So who is Trump saying will pay for the wall today?
    Saw a suggestion today that could bring the Democrats/Liberals on board, why not pay for the wall with a carbon tax.
    "Repubs must not allow [The President] to subvert the Constitution of the US for his own benefit & because he is unable to negotiate w/ Congress," Donald Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
    Saw a suggestion today that could bring the Democrats/Liberals on board, why not pay for the wall with a carbon tax.
    more taxes = bad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
    Saw a suggestion today that could bring the Democrats/Liberals on board, why not pay for the wall with a carbon tax.
    and replace coal as a fuel for power generation with illegal immigrants?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    So who is Trump saying will pay for the wall today?
    Now he says the wall will pay:
    President Trump on Friday said that the border wall will pay for itself "in a month."


    What's funny is that there are people who believed each story in turn, and will believe this one as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    more taxes = bad!
    No wall = bad?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
    No wall = bad?
    If we reduce the level of taxation imposed on the people by the government (through the elimination of socialist programs such as welfare and foreign aid and by eliminating all taxes except for a tax on personal increase), the government would be able to fund the building of a wall on both borders (though, probably not necessary on the northern border), AND still be able to improve/maintain infrastructure throughout the country.

    Less taxation means citizens have more money to spend.

    More money to spend boosts the economy naturally, and allows it and businesses to grow.

    Growing businesses can produce products more efficiently, lowering costs, while still maintaining good pay for its employees... which means they have more money to spend at the end of the pay period.

    Which means their standard of living goes way up, and the cycle continues.

    More taxes do the exact opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
    So much of the land along the Rio Grande is privately owned. It seems Texas landowners are not pleased with the idea of the government taking their land for Trump's wall and even worse cut off their water rights to the river. Texas landowners are preparing for legal fights that may tie up the eminent domain cases for years.

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...nt-domain-over
    Eminant domain is a huge issue and Trump has already said he has no problem with it. Seems he doesn't believe in property rights.
    The state — whatever its particular forms — always expresses itself as a collective form of property ownership. All political systems are socialistic, in that they are premised upon the subservience of individual interests to collective authority. Communism, fascism, lesser forms of state socialism, and welfarism, are all premised upon the state’s usurpation of privately-owned property. Whether one chooses to be aligned with the political "Left," "Right," or "Middle," comes down to nothing more than a preference for a particular franchise of state socialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Less taxation means citizens have more money to spend.

    More money to spend boosts the economy naturally, and allows it and businesses to grow.

    Growing businesses can produce products more efficiently, lowering costs, while still maintaining good pay for its employees... which means they have more money to spend at the end of the pay period.

    Which means their standard of living goes way up, and the cycle continues.

    More taxes do the exact opposite.
    Arthur Laffer came up with a curve that shows the relationship between tax rates and revenue. It's not a straight line going up to the right. As taxes become excessive, each increment in tax rates returns less and less revenue as businessmen find it less and less profitable to operate.

    Eventually, an increase in tax rates will bring in no additional revenue,and after that, will actually bring in less revenue.

    The trick is to know where the curve starts to fall off. Laffer advised Governor Brownback in Kansas, where the theory was tested. It turned out that the existing rate was no where near that point, and cuts in tax rates led to catastrophic reductions in revenue, contrary to Laffer's predictions.

    Eventually, the republican legislature did an intervention, and moved to end the crisis that had damaged the state's citizens and the state's bond ratings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Eminant domain is a huge issue and Trump has already said he has no problem with it. Seems he doesn't believe in property rights.
    Trump once attempted to use eminent domain to take away an elderly woman's home to expand his casino. He was in way over his head:

    There once was a widow who lived in a house by the sea.

    It wasn’t much of a place, just a fading, clapboard-clad box a few steps from the boardwalk in Atlantic City.

    Yet, somehow, that house has turned into a clogged intersection of American celebrity and wealth, an odd mash-up of failed dreams, bombast, stubborn indignation, name-calling, angry taunts and legal bombardment.

    The cast of characters populating that house’s curious history over the past three decades includes a friend and co-author of Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush, a legendary pornographer, and a famed investor. But the central figures in its life and death saga are a feisty, obstinate woman named Vera Coking and a billionaire, the Republican presidential front-runner, Donald Trump.

    Trump is dominating his Republican opponents in the polls. But in the long melodrama that is Trump’s business career, the house in Atlantic City is the place where all the billionaire’s money and all the billionaire’s men couldn’t keep a 5-foot-3 widow from whupping him.
    ...
    Bolick saw the case as a key moment in the battle over eminent domain and property rights. It was a struggle over precious liberties but lacked an obvious embodiment of the stakes.

    “What was needed was a villain so heinous that a court would rule against him,” Bolick likes to tell audiences. “Out of central casting came Donald Trump.”

    It used to be a reliable laugh line.

    “Now I suspect a lot of people wouldn’t find that funny,” Bolick said.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...=.60fd609955d7
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