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    Why Don't the Liberals Want a Wall?

    Why would anyone not want a wall?

    Here is an example of the horror stories being told about women's trips to the border:

    Well, there are fragments of the story, which we were able to gather as we traveled along the U.S.-Mexico border. We, for example, visited a shelter in northern Mexico - in Nogales, Sonora, the Mexican state of Sonora - where one woman said her entire trip north was effectively a sexual assault. She was brought across the border by a man under false pretenses, taken to the city of Atlanta and, she says, used as a prostitute for years. Now, she's back in northern Mexico. That's where we found her.


    If a wall is built all of this abuse of women and children at the border will cease overnight!

    Would just one person answer the following question for me?:

    What is so bad about a wall when compared to all the evil which is resulting from the lack of a wall?

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    it's like a ghost town in here when you try to nail these whiners down to a defined position

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    it's like a ghost town in here when you try to nail these whiners down to a defined position
    Right on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Right on!
    Eh, if you wanna indulge the forum troll then crack on with it, else I answered you on the thread that had nothing to do with "walls" as it was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    Eh, if you wanna indulge the forum troll then crack on with it, else I answered you on the thread that had nothing to do with "walls" as it was.
    So is the following your answer to my question, "What is so bad about a wall when compared to all the evil which is resulting from the lack of a wall?":

    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain View Post
    It's gonna cost a whole lot more to build than your president has told you, is impractical to build, maintain and patrol, will hardly be impenetrable and won't stop plenty other ways for people to illegally enter the US. It wouldn't be much cop to the environment either and effectively it's unlikely to come about for aforementioned reasons and was likely pre election show boating from Trump.
    Your problem is the fact that at this time the only practical way to end this abuse of women and children is by building a wall. Neither you nor the Dems offer any other solution so I guess you are happy with the staus quo! Let the women continue to be raped because you do not like Trump's proposal and you and the Demos refuse to offer an alternative plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Your problem is the fact that at this time the only practical way to end this abuse of women and children is by building a wall. Neither you nor the Dems offer any other solution so I guess you are happy with the staus quo! Let the women continue to be raped because you do not like Trump's proposal and you and the Demos refuse to offer an alternative plan.
    That's the only practical solution in your opinion is it? How so? How long is it gonna take to build cos it sure don't look as though it's gonna be erected anytime soon does it? I mean, how long has Trump gone on about this "wall" only to dawdle and prevaricate regarding it? If this wall is your only "solution" then where have you been for the last two years while it hasn't been built? You happy enough for it to be taking so long?

    I'm in favour of tighter border controls, not fawning over some prospect that probably isn't gonna happen anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Arthur Brain
    It's gonna cost a whole lot more to build than your president has told you, is impractical to build, maintain and patrol, will hardly be impenetrable and won't stop plenty other ways for people to illegally enter the US. It wouldn't be much cop to the environment either and effectively it's unlikely to come about for aforementioned reasons and was likely pre election show boating from Trump.

    to respond to artie:

    It's gonna cost a whole lot more to build than your president has told you
    that's true of virtually any large project and doubly true of any large government project

    not sure why you'd care, seeing as you don't pay taxes here

    , is impractical to build, maintain and patrol,
    it's already been achieved successfully on a small scale in Yuma, Arizona

    will hardly be impenetrable
    it's not intended to be "impenetrable"

    and won't stop plenty other ways for people to illegally enter the US.
    right now it's the biggest way for people to illegally enter the us

    when other ways develop, we'll address them

    what are you considering? boats? planes? teleportation devices?

    we're already pretty good at stopping boats and planes

    It wouldn't be much cop to the environment either
    I have no idea what that means

    most of the environment is God-forsaken desert

    and effectively it's unlikely to come about for aforementioned reasons

    i'm sorry, your aforementioned reasons have been dismantled

    and was likely pre election show boating from Trump.
    you do realize that congress and trump are wrangling over funding, right now

    it is going to happen
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    So is the following your answer to my question, "What is so bad about a wall when compared to all the evil which is resulting from the lack of a wall?":
    All the evil which is resulting from a lack of a wall huh?



    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Your problem is the fact that at this time the only practical way to end this abuse of women and children is by building a wall.
    You don't live in America do you?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    Neither you nor the Dems offer any other solution so I guess you are happy with the staus quo! Let the women continue to be raped because you do not like Trump's proposal and you and the Demos refuse to offer an alternative plan.
    It happens here by Americans just as much. So what's your proposal to curb that?
    Even in the very best of situations, voting is still an unmitigated failure. The fact that any simple majority of individuals (mob) can determine an outcome that adversely affects the minority (mob rule) is against all natural rights. In the United State today, all who vote harm others so that they might benefit. By voting, they are also sanctioning theft of private property at the point of a gun, and the redistribution of that property to those who did not earn it.

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    Lowe's of Mexico sells 32 foot extension ladders.
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post5074777
    http://theologyonline.com/showthread...=1#post4983551
    Elect a clown and you get a circus!
    if Trump had half a wit he would be a half wit if Trump had half a wit he would be a half wit if Trump had half a wit he would be a half wit if Trump had half a wit he would be a half wit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxfire View Post
    Lowe's of Mexico sells 32 foot extension ladders.
    I suspect that they sell shovels as well

    come to think of it, I'm pretty sure that in mexico you can buy bulldozers and cherry-pickers


    did you have a point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    I suspect that they sell shovels as well


    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    did you have a point?
    Did you have a point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxfire View Post
    Did you have a point?


    Spoiler
    BUILD THAT WALL!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    Spoiler
    BUILD THAT WALL!!!
    Now THAT's Pointless!

    Spoiler
    BUILD=CLIMB THAT WALL!!!
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    A bipartisan effort resulted in a wall that has cut the number of illegal immigrant apprehensions to a 10th of what it was in 2006.


    President Donald Trumpís promise to build a wall along our Southern border will save countless innocent lives. Our Border Patrol agents have seen firsthand the success of a border wall in Yuma, Ariz. ó which serves as a prime example of how investments in personnel, technology and a border wall can turn the tide against a flood of illegal immigration and secure our homeland.
    For years, Yuma sector was besieged by chaos as a nearly unending flood of migrants and drugs poured across our border. Even as agents were arresting on average 800 illegal aliens a day, we were still unable to stop the thousands of trucks filled with drugs and humans that quickly crossed a vanishing point and dispersed into communities all across the country.
    It is hard for anyone familiar with Yuma sector today to imagine this scene. Thatís because nearly a decade ago, a group of bipartisan lawmakers came together to protect the homeland, save innocent lives, and build a physical barrier across the border.



    https://www.usatoday.com/story/opini...umn/586853001/

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