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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    Eminant domain is a huge issue and Trump has already said he has no problem with it. Seems he doesn't believe in property rights.
    So Trump invented eminent domain?
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    Kelo v. City of New London, 545 U.S. 469 (2005),[1]was a case decided by the Supreme Court of the United States involving the use of eminent domain to transfer land from one private owner to another private owner to further economic development. In a 5–4 decision, the Court held that the general benefits a community enjoyed from economic growth qualified private redevelopment plans as a permissible "public use" under the Takings Clause of the Fifth Amendment.


    Kelo didn't bother leftists, but this will. Selective outrage is false outrage.
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    Guess who said it...

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    G'wan, guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    So Trump invented eminent domain?

    Is that what you think? Who told you he did?
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    So what's your complaint, exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by musterion View Post
    So what's your complaint, exactly?
    Are you slow?

    Eminent domain. No Trump didn't invent it.

    Imagine having the government take your land from you because...they can. 66% of land along the border is privately owned. This would have to be one of the bigger government land grabs in US history if the wall is to be actualized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    If we reduce the level of taxation imposed on the people by the government (through the elimination of socialist programs such as welfare and foreign aid and by eliminating all taxes except for a tax on personal increase), the government would be able to fund the building of a wall on both borders (though, probably not necessary on the northern border), AND still be able to improve/maintain infrastructure throughout the country.

    Less taxation means citizens have more money to spend.

    More money to spend boosts the economy naturally, and allows it and businesses to grow.

    Growing businesses can produce products more efficiently, lowering costs, while still maintaining good pay for its employees... which means they have more money to spend at the end of the pay period.

    Which means their standard of living goes way up, and the cycle continues.

    More taxes do the exact opposite.
    Which is not the point there are literally dozens of 'perfect' tax schemes out there that their proponents think will fund everything under the sun and pay off the debt. Take your pick but none of that solves Trump's problem which is how to win this current standoff. With the majority of public opinion blaming him and the Republicans for the shutdown, the Democrats are actually benefiting the longer it goes on. Eventually, his Republican allies in the Congress will turn on him to save the brand.

    So the master of the art of the deal actually needs to deal and that means he has to offer something to the other side to get what he wants. What can he offer that the Democrats would jump to take given they have the stronger hand? I can think of a few things. DACA, a Public Healthcare Option, the carbon tax I mentioned, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit the Coyote View Post
    Which is not the point there are literally dozens of 'perfect' tax schemes out there that their proponents think will fund everything under the sun and pay off the debt.
    The difference is that the one I propose will actually work.

    Take your pick but none of that solves Trump's problem which is how to win this current standoff. With the majority of public opinion blaming him and the Republicans for the shutdown, the Democrats are actually benefiting the longer it goes on. Eventually, his Republican allies in the Congress will turn on him to save the brand.

    So the master of the art of the deal actually needs to deal and that means he has to offer something to the other side to get what he wants. What can he offer that the Democrats would jump to take given they have the stronger hand? I can think of a few things. DACA, a Public Healthcare Option, the carbon tax I mentioned, etc.


    "United we stand, divided we fall"

    If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. - Mark 3:24 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...4&version=NKJV

    We've got loads of division in our country. I think it's time we got rid of the multi-party system and went with a constitutional monarchy, where the king is chosen by casting lots.

    Then the king could do what he needs to do with money from the treasury, such as building up the borders and improving infrastructure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    The difference is that the one I propose will actually work.





    "United we stand, divided we fall"

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    We've got loads of division in our country. I think it's time we got rid of the multi-party system and went with a constitutional monarchy, where the king is chosen by casting lots.

    Then the king could do what he needs to do with money from the treasury, such as building up the borders and improving infrastructure.
    That is nice but a Constitutional crisis and the resulting civil war still doesn't solve Trump's immediate problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    Are you slow?

    Eminent domain. No Trump didn't invent it.

    Imagine having the government take your land from you because...they can. 66% of land along the border is privately owned. This would have to be one of the bigger government land grabs in US history if the wall is to be actualized.

    Here
    There is also the problem of water rights which in Texas is a VERY big deal. Building that wall would be essentially ceding the Rio Grande to Mexico.
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    Another issue in this is the current 'crisis' on the border that Trump is talking about will NOT be solved by a border wall. These caravans coming from South America are not trying to enter the country undetected. They are coming here to apply for asylum. The only reason they are crossing the border illegally is due to the massive backlog, part of it caused by the administration, at the legal border crossing for processing asylum seekers. They know that if they cross the border and are arrested they get to bypass that. They want to be caught.

    The only way to change that is passing immigration reform to update the asylum laws and the Republicans have been fighting doing that for years.
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