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    And it isn't emotional on your part to declare like it or leave it. Hypocrisy much?
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    He also said, looking at Caesar's coin, that we were to give Caesar what was his.

    Doesn't that support a100% tax rate?

    Or a move toward a barter economy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktoyou View Post
    I agree. I have a sister who is very good at theology, but blows it when other members get to her and she is a real rep addict. She got in Dutch here over the stupid rep system and had a fit about it. Now I am not saying you have the same issues, but you do let people get to you.
    More so on points of personal honor and more earlier than these days. In my actual life people who lacked a personal code sufficient for decent society were shown the door in short order or you didn't enter theirs again. The notion of sharing a common space with people who don't appear to feel the least bit of shame over disreputable conduct was a new experience for me. It took a while before my reflexive response to it was tempered by experience, but it came to me. I can't tell you the last time I was particularly offended. Most of the trolls around here and their methodologies are old hat.

    These web forums are not the same as knowing people in a real sense.
    True.

    Web forums will always be surreal and sometime more for some than others, so, it is hard to know where you stand with anyone.
    I came here as I was and for as long as I remain here I won't be or act differently than I am. I don't understand people who do, though I do understand a good many people come to places like this to do exactly that. I think it's vulgar as pursuits go, but...people, what are you going to do about them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    And it isn't emotional on your part to declare like it or leave it. Hypocrisy much?
    See, you did it again. It would be emotional to say, "Like it or leave it," as a personal declaration in answer to an objection, but that isn't what I did. What I did was to note that taxes and participation are voluntary acts. The way you know this is that you can opt out. You are free to leave. And that's not my personal position, it's the objective truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    ....people, what are you going to do about them?
    turn 'em into soylent green?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    See, you did it again. It would be emotional to say, "Like it or leave it," as a personal declaration in answer to an objection, but that isn't what I did. What I did was to note that taxes and participation are voluntary acts. The way you know this is that you can opt out. You are free to leave. And that's not my personal position, it's the objective truth.
    So you're not arguing in a position you believe in? Didn't seem like that to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry Shugart View Post
    They are so far gone I doubt if that would work. What would work is the shock therapy of the electric chair!
    I was referring to the Samoan btcih slap


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktoyou View Post
    It is like you are becoming my buddy!
    Maybe I'm getting soft in my old age...
    Let's say that I suffer from a delusion. I will call this delusion "Fact-check Syndrome." I respond by citing facts.

    Most people online don't want to be corrected. They do not care about anything that does not agree with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    Actually, you're wrong in just about every part. Our government, we the people, has the right to help the poor collectively. We're actually doing more than the people of Israel were obligated to do in their day. And you've yet to provide scriptural support for you ideas about God's limitations on government, while I've supplied scriptural support for government authority, which is the root of our laws.


    Except that it isn't theft. Theft is an unlawful taking of something from someone who has legal claim to it.


    A store can charge anything you're willing to pay, provided you understand what you're paying. If a store tries to make a bargain with you and then attempts to change that bargain they have legal troubles ahead.


    That's not God commanding all governments to build roads. It's a very specific situation involving sanctuary cities. Or do you also believe all governments should divide their land into 3rds and build sanctuary cities?


    Then there's no such thing, because God compels it and always has.


    It's neither. And the state takes up taxes at large then determines the best way to spend them in particular.


    It's a commandment by the most inherently coercive force in the universe. Or do you think the idea that what you fail to do for the poor you fail to do for God is a suggestion of sorts. Do or don't do sort of thing, just a suggestion, no consequences attending?


    No support for your idea in the latter, or for how you choose to see helping those who aren't in a position to provide for themselves.


    I know you believe that, but you won't demonstrate God limiting the operation of government like that. In fact, charity was built into the law.


    In order, I didn't say you did and I never did. Way to dodge what I'm actually saying though.

    You'd just written that stealing was taking without legal right. My response is that the law cannot be "without legal right" so you lose at the outset. It's not stealing, can't be. It can be immoral and objectionable to your mind, but it can't rationally be considered theft.


    You keep saying that. I don't believe you have it right. Which is why I've repeatedly asked you for scriptural support for that. And you've yet to set it out.


    And given what little government provided in return that seems fair and just. What isn't there is God calling more than that, without even touching upon the foundation of government providing a good bit more than border security and judgement, "wicked". Or in any sense forbidding a government from doing more. You just don't like taxes, don't like how they're spent, and you want a moral leg to stand on in opposition.


    It's not obvious when you don't frame it that way. All you needed to do is substitute "refuses" for "does not." Because they aren't saying the same thing.


    If a parent abandons their responsibility to anyone the sin and the fault are theirs. But sending a child to school isn't that, whether done privately or publicly.


    Caesar has a right to lay taxes and spend on whatever he wants. Fortunately, in our government, we are Caesar. In that the state is expressing authority given to it by God.


    I gave you two major social programs doing a definable good and you've yet to do more than wave hands at them. What's the point in expanding a list you haven't really answered with rebuttal of any substantive sort? Saying interestates, a social program, isn't a social program doesn't make it so.

    Trying to suggest education is the province of the parent is in the sense you use it as mistaken as suggesting that because the health of a child is the parent's responsibility they should practice medicine on the child instead of seeing to it that the child has a doctor.


    Except a republic, our representative democracy, is a self-determining government where "we the people" is an apt description. The people elect representatives to hammer out our laws by that means, to speak for us with our voice. So no matter how you yell, "No!" the truth is plain and observable.


    Caesar was the government in that day and I've read and responded to Samuel as you used it. It doesn't say what you're saying. So if that's it you're making some of your charge up.


    That's evasion, not counter. And I set out a good bit of scripture in support. Set it out to be read.

    No idea why you added a number of other particular rebuttals from me without responding, but...thanks?


    Sure. When you divided a sentence in half so you could write "Duh" I think that speaks to something worth pointing out. I'd also note it if you starting randomly cursing, even though it wasn't substantive, because it's indicative.

    Also, putting a lot of different responses into a needlessly long post where you move in and out of different conversations makes it a royal pain to answer, as well as creating a needlessly long post. When you do that and someone goes into quote mode it doesn't distinguish between quotes aimed to one person or the other. So you need two windows or a lot of scrolling to get to the parts that are responsive.



    That's funny.


    I always preview and it looks fine to me. Maybe it's your phone or something. Way to dodge all that scripture though.
    Thatís your fallen nature talking. Reasoning.


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    Quote Originally Posted by drbrumley View Post
    So you're not arguing in a position you believe in? Didn't seem like that to me.
    This isn't a question of belief. I have related literal truth about both scripture and law. How I feel about any of it needn't enter in because it doesn't alter either truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    What I did was to note that taxes and participation are voluntary acts. The way you know this is that you can opt out. You are free to leave.

    in a similar manner, slavery and participation in the institution were voluntary acts in that slaves were free to opt out

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    It just amazes me how one and sit there and say income taxes are voluntary
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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    Very naive
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Town Heretic View Post
    ...taxes and participation are voluntary acts. The way you know this is that you can opt out. You are free to leave.


    in a similar manner, the holocaust and participation by the jews were voluntary acts in that the jews were free to opt out

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    So whether or not @Town Heretic likes it or not, taxes are voluntary, so when one objects, his answer is "your free to leave the country" Amazing....I think I saw a video on this a long time ago...some movie producer made a documentary on this topic.
    If any of my views seem to be strange or new to you, it is to be hoped that you will not close your mind to them, but will emulate the noble Bereans, and not only read and study the chapters would discuss, but will also search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so.

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