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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    Even before I became a christian I was pro life and against killing unborn babies.
    How can you be expected to see actual issues if you can't even discern that my saying what I said to you was actually about whether you or I are pro-life or not.



    What I'd actually meant was that by your own measure your comment about pro-choic-ers being hypocrites just as much points back at you; just as much finds you coming up short.

    From the Pro-Life view, life begins at conception, it does not end there - those children being separated from their parents is just as much a crime against children as killing them at any point earlier in their existence.

    Anyone supporting Trump on this is a hypocrite and a fool.

    The fraud even said there was nothing he could do and then headed for his golf game.

    But look who I am attempting to reason with - an individual who clearly has yet to look into Trump's life-long sordid past of political and financial corruption for personal gain at great pain to thousands of invididuals, over the years.

    You and your fellow Trump drones are fools for believing such an individual has anyone's best interest in mind other than his own.

    It just so happens, he has also always ever been his own worst enemy.

    For that much, the real America can be grateful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    How can you be expected to see actual issues if you can't even discern that my saying what I said to you was actually about whether you or I are pro-life or not.



    What I'd actually meant was that by your own measure your comment about pro-choic-ers being hypocrites just as much points back at you; just as much finds you coming up short.

    From the Pro-Life view, life begins at conception, it does not end there - those children being separated from their parents is just as much a crime against children as killing them at any point earlier in their existence.

    Anyone supporting Trump on this is a hypocrite and a fool.

    The fraud even said there was nothing he could do and then headed for his golf game.

    But look who I am attempting to reason with - an individual who clearly has yet to look into Trump's life-long sordid past of political and financial corruption for personal gain at great pain to thousands of invididuals, over the years.

    You and your fellow Trump drones are fools for believing such an individual has anyone's best interest in mind other than his own.

    It just so happens, he has also always ever been his own worst enemy.

    For that much, the real America can be grateful.
    Trump drones ? Trump has done more for america in 15 months than the last three presidents combined. Could be your hate has simply blinded you to the facts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by genuineoriginal View Post
    Decent people do not illegally enter a country, get fake ids, and commit fraud for the rest of their time there.
    Decent people go through the legal process to become citizens.
    Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador which are the source of most of these refugees, experienced civil wars during the 1980's has now resulted in "failed states" where gang violence has spiralled out of control!

    Given that none of us has any control as to where we are born, we could all be placed in those situations where these refugees are forced to escape the horrendous conditions that are forcing these families to flee!

    For self-righteous Americans to pass judgement as to who is/isn't "a descent person" based on those life threatening situations of which we are totally ignorant, contradicts Christ's "Parable of the Good Samaritan" and "The Greatest Commandment!"
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    Trump loses temper over border wall funding

    The president complained in a private meeting that Senate Republicans won’t fully fund his wall — and threatened a shutdown in September.

    President Donald Trump is getting frustrated with his administration’s own demands for border wall funding.

    In a private meeting regarding the wall Monday, Trump fumed at senators and his own staff about the $1.6 billion the Senate is planning to send him this fall, according to two people familiar with the meeting. Trump wants the full $25 billion upfront and doesn’t understand why Congress is going to supply him funds in a piecemeal fashion — even though that’s how the spending process typically works.

    “He’s focused on border security. And like all presidents, he wants it done now. But we’re part of the legislative process. It’s slower and deliberate," said Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Richard Shelby (R-Ala.), who met with Trump.

    The president said at the meeting that if Congress doesn’t give him the resources he needs for border security, he will shut down the government in September, according to one of the people familiar with the meeting. He did not give a specific number, but has been fixated on getting the $25 billion in a lump sum.

    In fact, the $1.6 billion figure came from Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney, who attended the meeting. Mulvaney submitted the request to Congress earlier this year, though the administration has since upped its ask to $2.2 billion.

    Senate Democrats offered to provide $25 billion in border wall funding earlier this year in return for giving 1.8 million young undocumented immigrants a pathway to citizenship. But Trump and most Republicans rebuffed that proposal to salvage the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program. Democrats are unlikely to provide $25 billion for Trump's wall absent a much broader immigration deal.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...gration-653530
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    Hey, look at that. It seems Blablaman hates Donaldtrump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador which are the source of most of these refugees, experienced civil wars during the 1980's has now resulted in "failed states" where gang violence has spiralled out of control!

    Given that none of us has any control over where we are born, we could all be placed in those situations where we are forced to escape the horrendous conditions that are forcing these families to flee!

    seems to me that once they've made it into mexico, they've escaped the "horrendous conditions" that are making them flee

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge View Post
    Trump drones ? Trump has done more for america in 15 months than the last three presidents combined. Could be your hate has simply blinded you to the facts.
    Yeah, I tend to have a huge problem with anyone able to impact the lives of that many children for the positive who claims otherwise, goes off to the golf course, and is then forced to prove what a liar he's been, once more.

    Or doesn't your false idol's claim to live by the law of God not actually apply to him?

    You're supposedly big on James.

    James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

    What point might that be, in this case?

    Exodus 22:21 Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.

    It is ever telling how you Trump supporters pick and choose your morals in accordance with Trump's fraud as your "moral compass."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Hey, look at that. It seems Blablaman hates Donaldtrump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    seems to me that once they've made it into mexico, they've escaped the "horrendous conditions" that are making them flee


    Mexico may be marginally safer by comparison, it only has the 20th highest murder rate in the world - but it also lacks the resources to absorb this influx and like the rest of Central America, large areas remain under the control of gangs and drug cartels!

    Homicide Rates per 100 000 (2016)
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    Americas 16.3
    Africa 12.5
    World 6.2
    Europe 3.0
    Oceania 3.0
    Asia 2.9

    Countries With the 10 Highest Murder Rates
    *******************************************
    1. El Salvador (108.64 per 100,000)

    El Salvador has the highest homicide rate in the world at 108.64 murders per 100,000 individuals. Estimates indicate that approximately 60% of these incidents are related to gang activity. Additionally, El Salvador still experiences instability, much of which is a remnant of a destructive civil war which lasted from 1979 until 1992.

    2. Honduras (63.75 per 100,000)

    Honduras has the world's second highest murder rate, with 63.75 homicides per 100,000 people. San Pedro Sula, in the northwest of the country, is at the center of much of this small Central American country's violence. Unfortunately, Honduras also has the highest incidence of firearm-related deaths in the world.

    3. Venezuela (57.15 per 100,000)

    Venezuela has the third highest murder rate in the world. The country loses 57.15 people per 100,000 each year to homicide. Caracas, the capital of Venezuela, is known as one of the most dangerous cities in the world. In fact, it is considered the second most murderous city in the world. With increasing political turmoil, this number has been increasing.

    6. Belize (34.4 per 100,00)

    Although Belize is a popular destination for tourists, it does have one of the highest murder rates in the world, at 34.4 per 100,000 people. Aside from murder, general petty crime is also a concern in Belize.

    9. Guatemala (31.21 per 100,000)

    Guatemala has 31.21 murders per every 100,000 inhabitants. Gang violence is a big concern in the country. The trafficking of illegal drugs, and a high rate of firearm both are contributing factors to the high crime rate.

    20. Mexico (16.35 per 100,000)

    81. United States (4.88 per 100,000)

    140. Canada (1.68 per 100,000)

    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...y-country.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinark View Post
    I consider any form of slavery to be wicked and I will fight with considerable effort to stop it from being allowed when I can.

    We'll have to agree to disagree.

    So, you have an issue with jail. Your a slave in jail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    seems to me that once they've made it into mexico, they've escaped the "horrendous conditions" that are making them flee
    Ever been to mexico?
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    I've been to Canada

    is that close?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    I've been to Canada

    is that close?
    Um, that's a no
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    even montreal?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    even montreal?
    even montreal….
    Even in the very best of situations, voting is still an unmitigated failure. The fact that any simple majority of individuals (mob) can determine an outcome that adversely affects the minority (mob rule) is against all natural rights. In the United State today, all who vote harm others so that they might benefit. By voting, they are also sanctioning theft of private property at the point of a gun, and the redistribution of that property to those who did not earn it.

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