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    Thread: Should the government take away my children if I deliberately involve them in ...

    If the Republicans think that supporting a policy of which 66% of the American electorate disapprove will be a "winning strategy," they will get what they deserve in November!

    While the government has been willing to release pictures of young males, those of females, toddlers and babies have been noticeably absent!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    try this one, danoh


    Is a state, in general, justified in protecting its borders?
    As long as it doesn't personally affect you in any direct manner....why not?

    Of course, I'll still assume you desire to limit the role of the state....where your interest are primarily concerned...correct?
    _/\_

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    ... criminal activity?



    As a general principle




    looks like I can't set this up as a poll, so for the hundreds of regular posters who are still participating here, just answer with a quick "yes" or "no"
    Well according to the Obama’s, it takes a village to raise everybody’s kids so..I guess yes take them out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    there are legal mechanisms in place for immigrating


    and we're not talking about "political jurisdictions", we're talking about crossing national borders


    and I can't think of a single modern nation, offhand, that doesn't protect its borders

    can you?
    You are shifting the goalposts. I'm not against having immigration laws and taking reasonable efforts to stop illegal immigration. I am completely against this cruel separation policy, only recently enacted by the Trump admin a couple months ago.

    The resolution to this madness is obvious: keep the families together and, if they need to be deported, deport them together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgeRightly View Post
    Slavery based on kidnapping is wrong because kidnapping itself is wrong. Someone who kidnaps should be, upon conviction, executed.

    However, slavery as a form of punishment for crime or as a deterrent for one's enemies is just. In such cases where restitution is the punishment, but the criminal cannot afford to pay their debt, then they would be put into indentured servitude for 6 years, or until the debt is paid off, whichever comes first (separate from the victim, of course), and all the proceeds of his labor go to pay off the victim of his crime. On the seventh year, he is released and any remaining debt is wiped.

    That is what the Bible says. It also says for slaves to honor their masters, and for masters to not mistreat their slaves (talking about slavery as a deterrent for war).



    Begging the question is a logical fallacy. You should avoid using it.



    Thankfully, appeal to popularity is also a logical fallacy. You should avoid using it as well.
    We are so far apart on what is moral and just it isn't worth having any further conversation. I consider any form of slavery to be wicked and I will fight with considerable effort to stop it from being allowed when I can.

    We'll have to agree to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    btw - you don't see the contradictions of "peacefully" breaking the law?
    Peacefully: using no violence against any individual, and not taking or damaging their property.

    Crossing an imaginary line in the dirt is neither violence nor theft nor damaging to any individual. It is a victimless crime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    "I think I'll peacefully rob that bank I've been casing"

    any problems with that?
    That is theft of property. It victimizes the owners of the cash who become deprived of it after a successful theft.

    Forcefully taking someone's property is not in any way a peaceful action.

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    Thread: Should the government take away my children if I deliberately involve them in ...

    There is a very real concern that with all the government agencies involved, the government's ability to connect children with their parents will erode over time - leading to the adults being deported while their offspring remain trapped in a bureaucratic limbo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    Thread: Should the government take away my children if I deliberately involve them in ...

    There is a very real concern that with all the government agencies involved, the government's ability to connect children with their parents will erode over time - leading to the adults being deported while their offspring remain trapped in a bureaucratic limbo!
    It takes a village man. Calm down


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    Quote Originally Posted by intojoy View Post
    It takes a village man. Calm down
    Despite the protests by the President to the contrary, the current Chief of Staff, Attorney General and senior WH advisors are already on the record stating that this is all part of a deliberate effort to discourage illegal immigration!

    What has been left unsaid, but clearly implied, is that the President now intends to make funding for the Wall as the price he intends to extract from the Republican majorities in Congress, to make this political liability disappear before the 2018 Interims!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post
    Despite the protests by the President to the contrary, the current Chief of Staff, Attorney General and senior WH advisors are already on the record stating that this is all part of a deliberate discourage illegal immigration!

    What has been left unsaid, but clearly implied, is that the President also intends to make funding for the Wall as the price he intends to extract from congressional Republicans, to make this embarrassment go away before the 2018 Interims!
    Practically his entire inept life, life-long financially and politically corrupt Donald Trump has consistently proven himself to be an individual ever oblivious to his own repeated self-destruction, by his own hand.

    Ya have to hand it to that Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Magoo - in this, he ever ends up the world's best weapon against him.

    Crash and burn once more, Donald...crash and burn.

    The sooner, the better we will all be for it - thank you very much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinark View Post

    The resolution to this madness is obvious: keep the families together and, if they need to be deported, deport them together.

    bammy tried that and got slapped down by the federal judiciary

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post




    Despite the protests by the President to the contrary, the current Chief of Staff, Attorney General and senior WH advisors are already on the record stating that this is all part of a deliberate effort to discourage illegal immigration!

    What has been left unsaid, but clearly implied, is that the President now intends to make funding for the Wall as the price he intends to extract from the Republican majorities in Congress, to make this political liability disappear before the 2018 Interims!
    Awesome! Sooner the better


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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    bammy tried that and got slapped down by the federal judiciary
    It all depends on how the government decides to deal with adults caught entering the country illegally - by changing then with a criminal offence, they're separated from their children and placed in an adult prison awaiting their day in court!

    Given the number of different government agencies involved and the inclusion of babies/toddlers , there is a definite risk that some parents will be sent back to their country of origin while their children remain in a legal "no man's land" in the US!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgarden View Post




    It all depends on how the government decides to deal with adults caught entering the country illegally - by changing then with a criminal offence, they're separated from their children and placed in an adult prison awaiting their day in court!

    Given the number of different government agencies involved and the inclusion of babies/toddlers , there is a definite risk that some parents will be sent back to their country of origin while their children remain in a legal "no man's land" in the US!
    So what?


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