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    So,everyone freaked out that Trump was keeping the Asylee adults until their court date and sending the kids to social services after 20 days like he had to.
    Now hes going to keep the whole family together in detention.
    Is that about right?
    Whereas Obama did what different?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fool View Post
    So,everyone freaked out that Trump was keeping the Asylee adults until their court date and sending the kids to social services after 20 days like he had to.
    Now hes going to keep the whole family together in detention.
    Is that about right?
    Whereas Obama did what different?

    Obama kept the families together.


    I think I know what you mean by Asylee, and if you're using it instead of asylum... why are you?
    So keep your candles burning

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Obama kept the families together.
    Yes, but consider the kind of family life Obama has, compared to the sort that Trump has lived. That kind of thing means more to someone who has been faithful to his wife, and who cares about his children.


    I think I know what you mean by Asylee, and if you're using it instead of asylum... why are you?
    It's easier to be flippant about it if you don't know what kinds of things those people are fleeing, I suppose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Yes, but consider the kind of family life Obama has, compared to the sort that Trump has lived. That kind of thing means more to someone who has been faithful to his wife, and who cares about his children.




    It's easier to be flippant about it if you don't know what kinds of things those people are fleeing, I suppose.
    Oh come on - just because Trump openly and blatantly cheated on Ivanna with Marla?

    And just because he cheated on Marla with that Playboy Bunny?

    And just because he cheated on Melanie with that Porn Star?

    And just because he covered both those up; that latter one even as he was all over the long corrupt "Christian" Television talking about how he is "a Christian"?

    And just because he then repeatedly denied having bought her off at the same time he and his equally spiritually corrupt base continually vilified anyone who pointed out the obvious cover up?

    Come on now, be fair, we're talkin about "The Christian Donald" here.

    Have a little heart - for that fraud.

    1 Corinthians 6:15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid. 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. 6:17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit. 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fool View Post
    Obama did what different?
    Who?

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    Obama kept the families together.
    How did he not run afoul of the law that says you can only keep the minors for 20 days?
    I think I know what you mean by Asylee, and if you're using it instead of asylum... why are you?
    Asylee -A person who is seeking or has been granted asylum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Yes, but consider the kind of family life Obama has, compared to the sort that Trump has lived. That kind of thing means more to someone who has been faithful to his wife, and who cares about his children.




    It's easier to be flippant about it if you don't know what kinds of things those people are fleeing, I suppose.
    Asylee is the proper word for the person seeking Asylum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fool View Post
    How did he not run afoul of the law that says you can only keep the minors for 20 days?
    They didn't prosecute first-time border crossers, for starters. Trump's zero-tolerance policy was the game-changer. There's more. But I would imagine anyone interested in comparing the reality of what Obama's administration did with what Trump's administration is doing would see clear differences. There is no "continuation" of an Obama policy that looks anything like Trump's.


    Asylee -A person who is seeking or has been granted asylum.
    My apologies for not recognizing the word, I don't recall seeing it before, or in any of the commentary I've read. Knowing how supportive you've been of the Trump administration, your characterization of concern as being "freaked out" left me doubting your intent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    There's more
    So the difference between bammy and trump is that trump is doing the same thing to more illegals?

    Sounds like a continuation to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by annabenedetti View Post
    They didn't prosecute first-time border crossers, for starters. Trump's zero-tolerance policy was the game-changer. There's more. But I would imagine anyone interested in comparing the reality of what Obama's administration did with what Trump's administration is doing would see clear differences. There is no "continuation" of an Obama policy that looks anything like Trump's.
    So Obama wasent enforcing the law and now Trump is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fool View Post
    So Obama wasent enforcing the law and now Trump is.
    No. Trump changed policy from what it was before.

    Previously, a first time crossing was a misdemeanor. They were given a court date and released. The families stayed together unless the parent was a danger to the child or had been charged with a felony - these separations were the exception, not the rule. It wasn't admin. policy to separate children from their parents.

    Trump's policy changed that, holding for prosecution even first time crossers and asylum seekers who didn't use the approved crossing, which meant they had to separate charged parents from children. The policy was intentional, meant to scare off potential border crossers.

    I don't believe for a minute you don't understand this already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fool View Post
    So,everyone freaked out that Trump was keeping the Asylee adults until their court date and sending the kids to social services after 20 days like he had to.
    Now hes going to keep the whole family together in detention.
    Is that about right?
    Whereas Obama did what different?
    The Obama Administration dealt with the problem by creating a supervised release program. Families were given a trial date to start the process and assigned a caseworker. They were then released till then.

    The caseworker kept in contact with them, so their location and situation was known and ensured they showed up for the asylum processing sessions. Being in an unsettled state, they may have made use of social services but the cost of that was trivial compared to the cost of keeping them in holding facility for a year.

    The program was massively successful with well over 90% of families on it appearing for their court dates and subsequent processing. The Trump Administration called it "catch and release" and ended the program first thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit the Coyote View Post

    The program was massively successful....
    ... at ending illegal immigration?


    or at encouraging illegal immigration

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    ... at ending illegal immigration?


    or at encouraging illegal immigration
    At managing the legal requirements for processing asylum claims, meeting the legal requirements concerning locking up children, and ensuring the asylum seekers were not just released into the country without returning to be processed.

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