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    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisgood View Post
    Again, President Trump, DID NOT abuse one single child.
    Sorry, that's already been established. He lied when he said the democrats were forcing him to do it. As soon as the damage from an outraged America hit him, he caved and stopped the abuse, even though he had earlier claimed that he could not do it. What you are parroting is a LIE.

    He was following the Flores agreement
    Nice try.

    You really want to accuse and rile against somebody, please accuse and rile against the GOVERNMENT(s) of the countries from where all these people are fleeing from.
    The leaders of some of those nations are no better than Trump. How does that justify abusing children to get even with them?
    Let's say that I suffer from a delusion. I will call this delusion "Fact-check Syndrome." I respond by citing facts.

    Most people online don't want to be corrected. They do not care about anything that does not agree with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    What I got from your original post was that you had misunderstood my words.
    You weren't comparing US border policy to Nazi Germany?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    You weren't comparing US border policy to Nazi Germany?

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    Nope.

    As life-long financially and politically corrupt Trump and those who blindly continue to support such a vile individual are finding out daily, their self-delusion for, is not, U.S. Border Policy, and never will be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Nope.
    So you were happy with the policy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    So you were happy with the policy?

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    Which "interpretation" of it?

    Personally, ANYONE with the power to prevent what has been done to those children during what amounts to their parent's desperate attempt at a better life for them - anyone with the power to prevent what has been done to those children during the attempt to address their parent's justified attempt - is dung, Jeremiah 8:2.

    ALL children are sacred.

    I don't care what so called "Believer" that offends.

    Matthew 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Which "interpretation" of it?
    Just read the policy. Are you happy with it?

    ANYONE with the power to prevent what has been done to those children during what amounts to their parent's desperate attempt at a better life for them - anyone with the power to prevent what has been done to those children during the attempt to address their parent's justified attempt - is dung.
    And if the parents — or whoever has the kids — are not acting in a proper manner? Ie, say they attempt an illegal border crossing.

    ALL children are sacred.
    This is a platitude. Policy based on platitudes is a bad idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
    Just read the policy. Are you happy with it?

    And if the parents — or whoever has the kids — are not acting in a proper manner? Ie, say they attempt an illegal border crossing.

    This is a platitude. Policy based on platitudes is a bad idea.

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    Big difference between a platitude and an outlook.

    As for your other statements there, I tend to have an outlook very similar to the following...


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    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisgood View Post
    He was following the Flores agreement
    That remains to be seen


    The main part that is important to the current discussions is that children must be released "without unnecessary delay" to (in order) a parent, a legal guardian; an adult relative (brother, sister, aunt, uncle, or grandparent). A licensed program came after.

    Therefore, it is illegal to detain a child even if they are with their parents. That is what the courts found when they were asked to clarify the matter for the Obama administration, which tried to detain whole families in 2015 as border crossings increased. But a judge ordered that those women and children be released.

    Elora Mukherjee, a law professor at Columbia University who represented some of the affected women, at the time said that the courts' "decision confirms that the mass detention of refugee children and their mothers violates U.S. law.

    Now, the Trump administration would like the courts to reverse that decision. Department of Justice lawyers have asked the courts to modify the Flores Settlement to allow for families to be detained together. "We ask for immediate interim relief from this Court that would permit family detention during immigration proceedings," the filing reads.

    The DOJ wants: "a limited exemption from its construction of the Flores Settlement Agreement’s release provisions so that ICE may detain alien minors who have arrived with their parent or legal guardian together in ICE family residential facilities."

    DOJ writes that this is needed due to "the ongoing and worsening influx of families unlawfully entering the United States at the southwest border." It's also the only way that Trump's executive order can hold. He's ordered for the construction of new and reallocation of existing facilities that can be used to detain entire families.

    But that will only work if the courts agree that doing so does not contradict Flores.



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    Is Kirstjen Nielsen lying or telling the truth?


    Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said on Twitter Sunday: "We do not have a policy of separating families at the border. Period."

    She added that asylum-seekers would be protected from separations as they always had been: "For those seeking asylum at ports of entry, we have continued the policy from previous administrations and will only separate if the child is in danger, there is no custodial relationship between 'family' members, or if the adult has broken a law."

    Nielsen and Attorney General Jeff Sessions say women and children will only be separated when they are caught crossing the border "illegally," which they define as crossing between designated ports of entry.

    NBC News has found that some women are separated from their children even if they are legally claiming asylum and not being referred for prosecution. In those cases, the children are kept in the same facility, but they are still separated for days without being told whether they will be reunited.



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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    Is Kirstjen Nielsen lying or telling the truth?


    Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said on Twitter Sunday: "We do not have a policy of separating families at the border. Period."

    She added that asylum-seekers would be protected from separations as they always had been: "For those seeking asylum at ports of entry, we have continued the policy from previous administrations and will only separate if the child is in danger, there is no custodial relationship between 'family' members, or if the adult has broken a law."

    Nielsen and Attorney General Jeff Sessions say women and children will only be separated when they are caught crossing the border "illegally," which they define as crossing between designated ports of entry.

    NBC News has found that some women are separated from their children even if they are legally claiming asylum and not being referred for prosecution. In those cases, the children are kept in the same facility, but they are still separated for days without being told whether they will be reunited.



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    Quote Originally Posted by intojoy View Post
    Don’t worry about it
    I won't worry about your meaningless posts. No problem there.

    I can see you're stumped on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WizardofOz View Post
    Is Kirstjen Nielsen lying or telling the truth?


    Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said on Twitter Sunday: "We do not have a policy of separating families at the border. Period."

    She added that asylum-seekers would be protected from separations as they always had been: "For those seeking asylum at ports of entry, we have continued the policy from previous administrations and will only separate if the child is in danger, there is no custodial relationship between 'family' members, or if the adult has broken a law."

    Nielsen and Attorney General Jeff Sessions say women and children will only be separated when they are caught crossing the border "illegally," which they define as crossing between designated ports of entry.

    NBC News has found that some women are separated from their children even if they are legally claiming asylum and not being referred for prosecution. In those cases, the children are kept in the same facility, but they are still separated for days without being told whether they will be reunited.



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    Lying using weasel words because they closed the bridge to asylum seekers so when the asylum seekers went around the bridge, they "broke a law," thus - punitive separation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danoh View Post
    Big difference between a platitude and an outlook.

    As for your other statements there, I tend to have an outlook very similar to the following...
    So you have no problem with the current policy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok doser View Post
    ... criminal activity?



    As a general principle




    looks like I can't set this up as a poll, so for the hundreds of regular posters who are still participating here, just answer with a quick "yes" or "no"
    Yes
    So, what?

    believe it!

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